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koonan kurishu church.. national award for best architecture 2015

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Informations on the church made of mud at lobo junction near kayees hotel mattamchery ,has to be added. It had won the national archetecture award 2015. It has historical importance as the centre of st thomas christians who fought against portugese,papal authority and goan bishop alexis de menesis.. Jithu Thomas Mylapra (talk) 07:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

@Jithu Thomas Mylapra: If you want to add such detail you will need at least one reference from a reliable source.  Philg88 ♦talk 08:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

The ndtv channel website itself is a reference Jithu Thomas Mylapra (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Cochinchina

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Is it worth mentionning the etymological link between Kochi/Cochin and the historical areal of Cochinchina ? Not mentionned at the moment though.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.154.129.28 (talk) 21:59, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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Kufos

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Kerala University of fisheries and ocean studies first of its kind in India is also located at Kochi. Add that too to the beginning section of page. Akjoy444 (talk) 16:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Force Radical (talk · contribs) 11:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

I will take on this review of Kochi as a good article. I am a relatively new user to GA reviewing doing this as a supplement of my nom of West Bengal. I will after completing the review keep this GA open for a third opinion. In case of a disagreement a third opinion can be sought. I will continue from hereafter by pinging you, as and when I will have time. Happy New Year! — Force Radical ( Talk • Contribs ) 11:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Shady59-On a preliminary look I would like you to improve the overall sourcing of the article. Please make sure all paragraphs atleast have a citation at their end (which corroborates what is said in the paragraph) and please remove the bare urls.The rest of the review will be done later — Force Radical ( Talk • Contribs ) 11:15, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Force Radical - Happy New Year to you too. I actually checked for all dead urls before submitting the nomination. Would appreciate if you could point out the ones which you stumbled upon. Meanwhile, I'll check for missing citations & add them. Shady59 (talk) 03:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Official Report 1 (Summary before and after fixes according to comments)

This article would fail its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of January 8, 2018, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?:   Pass (Worked on during GA review)
2. Verifiable?:   Pass (Worked on during GA review)
3. Broad in coverage?:   Pass
4. Neutral point of view?:   Pass
5. Stable?:   Pass
6. Images?:   Pass

The article in its current state   Fails  Passes the GA criteria. The article needs a far more rigorous citation system and there are some layout issues which need to be resolved — Force Radical ( Talk • Contribs ) 06:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

• Resolved Comments — Force Radical∞ ( Talk ⋯ Contribs ) 12:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Unofficial Report 1 (Issues with the article)

@Shady59:-I have taken a look at the article and have identified few changes which are needed:

  • Fill out the bare urls used as references (You can use the tool listed at WP:Refill to make the work automated)
  • Please replace all the external links which show up as red or orange in [this link]  Done
  • Put File:Vyttila Mobility Hub BNC.jpg and File:Marine Drive Kochi Night View DSW.jpgin the {{Panorama}}  Done
  • Remove the pin-point on the map of Kochi  Done
  • Besides this, the article has some layout and grammar issues. I would recommend you to put it up for a copy-edit here. They have a backlog drive going on and if your lucky someone may do the copy-edit within this month.
    Don't do it now. I'll bring the specific problems up on this page on Monday and you can fix them then. In the mean time give the article your best CE by reading it thoroughly. — Force Radical ∞ ( Talk ⋯ Contribs ) 11:19, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I will be tagging the article with quite a lot of [citation needed] tags (Within this week). Please fill them up with proper citation

I am putting this review   On hold for a period of 14 days (during this time feel free to ask anything by pinging me here) after this period I will re-review the article to see if it passes the GA criteria or not — Force Radical ( Talk • Contribs ) 06:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Force Radical Thanks a lot for your efforts. I'll do my best to cover everything you mentioned. Shady59 (talk) 07:21, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
@Shady59:-I have taken a look at the changes over the week. I would suggest that you try your best to get rid of the sourcing issues over the weekend. Once that is done I'll start on the prose review.(I expected you to put it up for CE on last Monday but since you didn't I'll bring up the prose problems here and you can solve them .Since with the current status of their backlog it seems unlikely that the article will be accepted before February) — Force Radical ( Talk • Contribs ) 07:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
@Force Radical: I'm fixing the sources at the moment. Was busy the past few days & I'm trying to find time in between. But I think I'll be able to fix all the mentioned sources today itself. Shady59 (talk) 09:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
@Force Radical: Meanwhile I've replaced all the dead & suspicious links on the page. The page now has 0 dead/suspicious links. Thanks to the dispenser tool which you suggested. I'm now working on the remaining citations which needs to be added. Shady59 (talk) 10:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
@Shady59:That's good!! I would suggest you make the article compliant with WP:BURL and give the article a thorough reading and copyedit so that the article will have almost no outstanding problems by Monday when I'll start bringing up the prose problems here.  — Force Radical ∞ ( Talk ⋯ Contribs ) 07:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
@Force Radical: Checked & Fixed all Bare URLs. The article now has 0 WP:BURL as per the refill tool. Shady59 (talk) 10:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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@Shady59:-There is still a some outstanding issues with the article which need to be resolved.Please start solving the issues listed below as and when they are given.(I will take a long time to do this )

  • south-west coast of India bybordering the Laccadive Sea.
  • Called as the Queen of the Arabian Sea
  • With a corporation limit population of 612,343, and metropolitan population of 2.1 million, Kochi city is also a part of the Greater Cochin region, which is the largest urban agglomeration in Kerala and is classified as a Tier-II city by the Government of India.Separate the bold section into another sentence.
  • Kochi was one of the 28 Indian cities found to be among the emerging 440 global cities
  • Replace all instances of "industry" in the lede with company
  • Ancient travellers and tradesmen referred to Kochi in their writings, variously alluding to it as Cocym, Cochym, Cochin, and Kochi.
  • The Cochin Jewish community called Cochin as Kogin (קוגין), which is seen in the seal of the synagogue[31] which is still owned by the community.[31]
  • KochiIt rose to significance as a trading centre after the port Muziris around Kodungallur (Cranganore) was destroyed by massive flooding of Periyar in 1341.[36]Please do the same judiciously for other instances as well.
  • The city is administered by the Kochi Corporation, headed by a mayor.Administered sounds odd here
  • However, Kochi Police officials defended that in major crimes such as murders and kidnapping, the city registered a low crime rate even behind other cities in the state.[70]Defended whom ?
  • Thrikkakara is P. T. THOMASI see no reason why that person's name should be in SCREAMING CAPS (Its a pet peeve of mine this caps business).In the same sentences please add conjunctions to smoothen it out.
  • Construction and manufacturing combined contributes 37%, and trade, tourism and hospitality together provides another 20% Of what ?
  • India by World Bank, Doing Business Group
  • tourism is one of the strongest drivers of the local economy.Drivers sounds odd
  • Social Service Organisation seems to have a problem of undue weight.The last two paragraphs seem to be designed to promote the particular entities mentioned
  • Please do a through check of the references section I can still see
    • a Bare Url(http://www.jnnurm.nic.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/KOCHICDP.pdf#page=7) which probably needs to be expanded manually
    • a google search Ref 73
    • reference to secondary sources(Other encyclopedia) 39,41,147
    • References without a proper title 9,55,108,109,110,111,175
  • Acess dates are missing in quite a lot of references
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Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 3a. broadness ( )
3b. focus ( ) 4. neutral ( ) 5. stable ( ) 6a. free or tagged images ( ) 6b. pics relevant ( )
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@Shady59:Please fix these issues asap — Force Radical∞ ( Talk ⋯ Contribs ) 16:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Force Radical: Fixed everything mentioned above. By the way, are access dates in all refs necessary? Because even in many featured articles, I see that the access date is missing in a lot of refs. Anyways I always provide access date in all the refs which I personally provide. Thanks again for your efforts. Shady59 (talk) 11:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@Shady59:-That is a difficult question to answer, I guess except for pdfs,journals and books most of them need access dates to determine if the links are dead or not. I will be promoting this nomination to a GA as I see no outstanding issues — Force Radical∞ ( Talk ⋯ Contribs ) 12:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@Force Radical: Thanks a lot for all your efforts. You've been super helpful & co-operative. Shady59 (talk) 12:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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Good Article review progress box
Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 2d. no WP:CV ( )
3a. broadness ( ) 3b. focus ( ) 4. neutral ( ) 5. stable ( ) 6a. free or tagged images ( ) 6b. pics relevant ( )
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The reviewer is satisfied that this article passes the GA criteria. — Force Radical∞ ( Talk ⋯ Contribs ) 12:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2018

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The word kannadigas should be changed to Kannadigas. There should be capital "K". 117.216.235.172 (talk) 07:26, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

-Done. AG47 Talk 08:11, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2019

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Please add "Category:Smart cities in India" because Kochi selected for the 20 smart cities in India on 28 January 2016. Sharmaaadi (talk) 07:45, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

  Not done - there was no mention of a source added to support this claim. Iggy (Swan) 18:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2019

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Request to add more details about Ernakulam. The article says the city of Cochin is often referred to as Ernakulam. An additional sentence stating that Ernakulam forms the central, mainland portion of the city of Cochin will make more sense to that sentence. For a complete unknown person, it is always confusing whether Cochin and Ernakulam are the same. 141.72.239.107 (talk) 04:26, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

  Not done - there was no mention of a source added to support this claim. Iggy (Swan) 18:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2019

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The current elected Member of Parliament representing the constituency is Hibi Eden, succeeding Prof. K. V. Thomas, also from Indian National Congress. Though K. V. Thomas had issues when the party decided Hibi as the candidate, Mr. Thomas had to accept the decision of the party. Joel Sebastian Kochi (talk) 09:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 13:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the Neutrality tag in Kochi article

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The statements in this article's Lead section seem to be promotional and have an advertising tone instead of being Neutral/Encyclopedic. They don't seem to adhere to WP:Neutral point of view.

Please note that the Lead is the most-read section in any article. The Lead should be an unreferenced summary of referenced statements.

Some of the Neutrality issues found in the Lead section are

  • "Ranked seventh in the list of top 10 cities to visit in the world in 2020" - Promotional marketing statement in the lead
  • "which attracts international artists and tourists" - Tourism again in the lead
  • "The city was ranked the sixth best tourist destination in India" - Tourism again in the lead
  • "Kochi ranks first in the total number of international and domestic tourist arrivals in Kerala" - Another mention of tourism in the lead. These appear to be advertising tourism
  • "Kochi was one of the 28 Indian cities among the emerging 440 global cities that will contribute 50% of the world GDP by the year 2025, in a 2011 study done by the McKinsey Global Institute" - The provided citation mentions about 10 clusters across 14 Indian cities. It is not at all related to the statement. The statement seems to be promotional
  • "Kochi was ranked the topmost emerging future megacity in India by global professional services firm JLL" - This statement along with its citations can be placed in the 'Economy' section instead of the Lead
  • The laundry list of companies and colleges in the Lead - Why is this huge laundry list needed in the lead? It's clearly promotional and along with the earlier tourism mentions, are possibly WP:UNDUE.

Also, this article is listed as WP:GA, and a sizable number of statements are lacking citations.

Kindly note, this is just a sample, and I haven't gone through this article in detail. But taking just the lead itself into consideration, the article doesn't adhere to WP:Neutral point of view.

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Aviator423 (talk) 07:18, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't concern with WP:NPOV as everything is cited. Moreover WP:NPOV is applicable for the whole article, not just the lead section. The article was passed as WP:GA after thorough assessment & meeting all WP:GACR. You seem new to Wikipedia. Please go through WP:OPINION and you need to understand that Wikipedia is a WP:WIP and Perfection is not required. Shady59 (talk) 23:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
WP:GACR requires that the article is written in a Neutral point of view. It is one of the main criteria. Having advertising statements in the Lead section itself shows that there is high editorial bias in this article. I have contributed significantly to Good Articles and Featured Articles. I am well aware of WP:GACR and WP:FACR. The Neutrality tag also mentions to address the issues before removing the tag.
Contrary to WP:NPOV, In Kochi, all ADVERTISEMENTS are appearing in the Lead itself ! Also the lead should be an unreferenced summary of referenced statements - WP:LEADCITE.
For your information, adding citations isn't going to make a statement neutral. Citations pertain to WP:VERIFY and are not related to WP:NPOV.
Also, there are plenty of statements in this article that are lacking citations. That's mentioned in another section in the article's Talk page.
The GA review happened more than 2 years ago. IMO, Kochi article is NOT a WP:GA at present.
Aviator423 (talk) 08:34, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
  • The ones you call as ADVERTISEMENTS are facets of a city which you find literally in all city articles. Something which is true to a place is NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT.
  • As already mentioned, WP:NPOV is applicable for the whole article, not just the lead section. If a statement in the lead section doesn't adhere to WP:NPOV, then it doesn't mean the statement can be moved to a subsection. The WP:NPOV remains the same throughout the article.
  • Only 4 statements have been added since WP:GA review happened and all were cited. So the quality of the article remains the same. Shady59 (talk) 11:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Many statements are lacking citations in this GA

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By looking at just the first 5 sections out of the 15 sections in this article, many statements are lacking citations

Etymology section

  • "After the arrival of the Portuguese, and later the British, the name Cochin stuck as the official appellation."

History section

  • "In meantime, the Royal Family of Kochi relocated the capital of Kochi Kingdom to Thrissur, leaving nominal authority over Islands of Kochi."
  • "In 1664, Fort Kochi Municipality was established by Dutch, making it the first municipality in Indian subcontinent, which got dissolved when Dutch authority got weaker in the 18th century"
  • "By the 1870s, the capital of Kochi Kingdom was relocated again to Kochi Suburb of Tripunithura."
  • "In 1910, Ernakulam became the administrative capital of Kochi Kingdom with establishment of Royal Secretariat and State Durbar. "
  • "In 1925, Kochi legislative assembly was constituted due to public pressure on the state."
  • "Towards the early 20th century, trade at the port had increased substantially, and the need to develop the port was greatly felt."
  • "Harbour engineer Robert Bristow was brought to Kochi in 1920 under the direction of Lord Willingdon, then the Governor of Madras."
  • "The King of Travancore was the Rajpramukh of the Travancore-Cochin Union from 1949 to 1956."
  • "The city's economic growth gathered momentum after economic reforms in India introduced by the central government in the early-1990s. "
  • "Since 2000, the service sector has energised the city's economy. The establishment of several industrial parks based on IT and other port based infrastructure triggered a construction and realty boom in the city."

Geography and climate section

  • "Predominant rock types found here are Archaean-basic dykes, Charnockites and Gneisses."
  • "An ecologically sensitive area, the Mangalavanam Bird Sanctuary is located in the central part of the city."

Civic administration section

  • "Earlier; Fort Kochi, Mattancherry and Ernakulam were the three Municipalities in Cochin area, which was later merged to form the Cochin Corporation. "
  • "The city is divided into five zones and each zone under a circle officer."
  • "It operates 19 police stations functioning under the Home Ministry of Government of Kerala. An anti-corruption branch of the Central Bureau of Investigation also operates out of the city. "

Economy section

  • "Construction and manufacturing industries combined contributes 37% of the district's total GDP, and trade, tourism and hospitality industries together provides another 20%. "
  • "Major business sectors include construction, manufacturing, shipbuilding, transportation/shipping, seafood and spices exports, chemical industries, information technology (IT), tourism, health services, and banking."
  • "Kochi is recognised as one of the seventeen major industrial cities of India by the World Bank Group. "
  • " Kochi Refineries of (BPCL) at Ambalamugal is the largest state owned refinery in India."
  • "Central Government establishments like the Coconut Development Board, the Coir Board and the Marine Products Export Development Authority (MPEDA) have head offices located in the city. "
  • "The tourist enclave at Fort Kochi and presence of several historical monuments, museums etc. as well as natural attractions like the Vembanad lake and the backwaters attract large number of tourists to the city."
  • "Presence of several leading hospitality brands have been a major source of employment for locals. "
  • "The fishing harbour at Thoppumpady is a minor fishing port in the state and supplies fish to local and export markets"
  • "Exports and allied activities are also important contributors to the city's economy. "
  • "The Cochin Port currently handles export and import of container cargo at its terminal at Willingdon Island."
  • "Kochi's historical reliance on trade continues into modern times, as the city is a major exporter of spices and is home to the International Pepper Exchange, where black pepper is globally traded. "
  • "The Spices Board of India and World Spice Organisation are headquartered in Kochi. "
  • "The IT and ITES related industries are growing up in Kochi."
  • "Availability of cheap bandwidth through undersea cables and lower operational costs compared to other major cities in India, has been to its advantage. "
  • "Various technology and industrial campuses including the government promoted InfoPark, Cochin Special Economic Zone and KINFRA Export Promotion Industrial Park operate in the outskirts of the city. "
  • "Kochi has an established electronics hardware industry with companies such as V-Guard Industries, OEN India Limited, FCI OEN Connectors and SFO Technologies"

This is just a sample. There are many more statements in this article, that are lacking citations. The list is too long to mention all the statements in the article that lack citations. Hence, the Refimprove tag is added to the article. Aviator423 (talk) 09:55, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


You need to understand, not literally every single statement need to be cited and that most of these statements are self-explained in the article and were already present during the WP:GA review. I'll recheck if there's something which is not self-explained & need to be cited. Shady59 (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

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Metro population is error 202.83.42.91 (talk) 17:03, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 17:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2021

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There was a mistake on kochi metro population..I wanted to edit. Please grant my request.. 202.164.139.45 (talk) 16:56, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

  Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:01, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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2401:4900:22DE:72E6:6F7F:BB3D:D6FF:45FC (talk) 06:57, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

PERUMBAVOOR is also a kochi metropolitan area

Vehicle registration - add> KL40

Economy --> Perumbavoor is a predominantly agricultural town and Asia's Largest plywood industries. Commodities like rubber, pepper, ginger, turmeric, plantain, vegetables, coconut, nutmeg, cocoa, rice, arecanut, cloves, etc. are traded every day in the local market. Most of these commodities are supplied to mainstream exporters in Kochi or to local retailers. Rest of the economy is shared by government and private sectors and small industries. Perumbavoor is an important city for timber trade in kochi

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2021

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to change the redirect links in the page related to latin church to make it redirect to "Latin Catholics of Malabar" Spelling errors in few areas to add names of synagogues in Kochi to the list Symphonicallyu (talk) 03:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 03:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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