Talk:Koći

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Albanianization edit

From Erdeljanović (1907), pp. 148–49:

Koći. Arbanaško brastvo, koje se danas razume pod tim imenom, sastoji se u stvari iz četiri elementa, koji se od jedan od drugog razlikuje i poreklom i vremenom: prvi su bili starosedeoci Srbi Bakečevići, o kojima smo napred već govorili; drugo su doseljenici Arbanasi, Koći (Mari i Gorvoki), treće su Srbi Purušići i Ivačevići ... ; a četvrto su Srbi Stjelovići, sjedinjeni s Arbanasima Nuculovićima, koji su došli k njima ... Mari (11 por.) i Gorvoki (9 por.), dva roda pravih Koća, poreklom su iz arbanaškog plemena Klimenata, iz sela Vukelji ... Koći su onda, kao što smo videli, silom proterali neke "Vlahe" starosedeoci i nastanili se u današnjem svom selu ... Srbi Ivačevići (3 por.) i Purušići (8 por.) ... mlađi doseljenici ... u srodstvu sa starijim doseljenicima Marima ... bili dugo vreme u ženidbenim odnosima i na taj se način sa njima blisko srodili i poarbanasili ... Ivačevići i Purušići bili zaista Srbi, pokazuju njihova prezimena, zatim ime njihova starog sela Kućišta i najzad predanje, po kome se vidi, da nisu došli u selo ni s jednim od pouzdano arbanaških brastava. Stjelovići ... pobegli iz Rovaca ... bili zadugo pravoslavni Srbi. Zna se, da je još ded današnjih Stjelovića, Ilija, bio pravoslavni i nosio srpsko odelo. Tek se njegov sin poarbanasio i to najpre pod uticajem Nuculovića ...

I am not going to continue quoting, as this summarizes it. Note that Erdeljanović used the inhabitants' stories (Po pričanju Koća, naročito Đel Pepe od brastva Mara). There were waves of Albanianization, first with the settling of the powerful Mari who destroyed and expelled the natives, except the Bakečevići who asked for "godfatherhood" (kinship), and then potpuno poarbanase, then with the Nuculović who at the end of the 18th century together with their Serb friends Stjelović fled Jabuka and settled in Koći, subsequently tamo se i Stjelovići poarbanase, etc. Note that Erdeljanović mentions many instances of Serbianization as well, such as the relatives of Nuculović in Lazorce, who primili pravoslavlje i posrbili se. All of this is sourced in the article. Thank you. --Zoupan 19:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Though the page numbers are sourced, you need to add these bits as inline's in the article. Also i see nothing about violent expulsions and so on. I have also raised a few other issues in the deletion talkpage regarding the matter. Resnjari (talk) 16:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
I have changed this to "expelled by force", he says Koći nešto pobiju a nešto rasteraju (Koći killed some and some they dispersed), silom proterali (expelled by force).--Zoupan 20:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
This entire page has been built on an extremely dated and biased source - and exclusively this source. You may as well have just copied and pasted the entire book. This is not reliable; you used a biased Serbian author in 1907 to support what seems to be your own political views. No mention of Montenegrins, either, only Serbians. It seems heavily biased indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.218.96.151 (talk) 03:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

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