Talk:Kitchen Accord

Should the article be moved?

I think the fact that the name of the article is an insult of the night makes it POV...should we just rename it "Kitchen Accord" or something? Habsfannova 03:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I've always felt that the name was grossly inappropriate for what occured. There is substantial debate over who screwed who. Leveque betrayed the other premiers the day before, the premiers betrayed him. This is what the night is most often refered to. At least the Australian "Night of the Long Knives" has some sense has an analogy. I think it should be left this way because its well known to most by this name. Benw 16:11, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, very true. That's why, when I put a lot of the stuff in, I remarked about the conversation Trudeau and Rene had was remembered differently: Levesque tells it like he was tricked into saying something he didn't want, Trudeau acts like Levesque was a greedy jerk. I'd say the truth was inbetween.Habsfannova 04:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd also like to say that a lot of the information added was from federalist sources, so if anyone wants to air their own viewpoint of information, I'd love to hear it. This night conversly fascinated and repulsed me, and was always an interest of mine.Habsfannova 04:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I've spoke to Allan Blakeney and Roy Romanow about the matter. Obviously, neither of them like the name. Blakeny told me that Leveque had no intention of making any deals. The others in the Gang of 8 never betrayed Rene at all. They decided on the agreement at breakfast the morning after the Kitchen Accord; Rene showed up late (again) and was presented the deal. Rene stormed out and label it the night of the long knives. Frankly, the name is a slap in the face to what I consider one of the most important moments in recent Canadian history.

According to both Roy Romanow, and Chretien biographer Lawrence Martin, the Kitchen Accord went down as follows: Chretien and Romanow sneeked off to the 5th floor kitchen of the Chataeu Laurier. The worked the deal out, called in McMurtry, and got him to agree.

I strongly support renaming the article 'The Kitchen Accord' but still making mention of the 'Night of the Long Knives' title.Jaderaid 06:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Precise date of Night?

Is this available? If so, it should be indicated. E Pluribus Anthony 11:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I think it was something like November 21 or 22, I'll confirm that and add it to the article. Benw 14:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Removal of the Godwin's Law reference ?

While the name of the article and, by extension, the 'nickname' of that night is highly controversial, I don't believe a reference to Godwin's law is appropriate here. It is very tangential to the subject of the article. A renaming of the article would render it obsolete anyway. Jean-François Clavette 06:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

How so? Assuming that 'Night of the Long Knives(1981)' would still redirect here? I would support the removal of Godwin's law. I see that everywhere and it really is irrelevant here.--Jaderaid 00:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Merge?

How about a merge to Patriation? According to Talk:Patriation it's just a Canadian term, and this article now describes the history of patriation. CanadianCaesar The Republic Restored 03:58, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

You read my mind, CanadianCaesar...I think it's a good idea to make it a section of "Patriation"...I just moved the article to get rid of the POV name...Habsfannova 03:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)