Talk:Kennedy Bakircioglu

Turkish name

He can be Chinese as far as he is concerned, the fact is that his name is Turkish and it is spelt as "Bakırcıoğlu". There are no such word as "oglü" or "bakircioglü" in any language and the word "Bakırcıoğlu" translates as "son of the copper crafstman", "bakır" meaning copper, "bakırcı" meaning "copper craftsman (crafter)" and "oğlu" meaning "son of". He also speaks fluent Turkish , so add it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.253.244 (talk) 16:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be 'Bakırcıoğlu' since his origin is Turkish and so are his parents? Yes, it should, but... Escorpión Canalla 18:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The Swedish Wikipedia has it as Bakircioglü so that's what we use I think Spiderone (talk) 11:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

He is not Turkish he is Aramean! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.131.200.148 (talk) 15:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Sources say that he is Syriac. – PeeJay 17:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Bünyamin Bakırcıoğlu is a purely Turkish name. Not Syrian or Armenian. You should bring some proofs with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.172.205.29 (talk) 10:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

He does have a Turkish surname, but that doesn't change his ethnicity, and his first name is different than ordinary Turks, Bunyamin and Kennedy is not the normal name a Turkish would have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.73.78.62 (talk) 06:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

"Swedish people of Turkish descent"

This category is not meant to specifically indicate ethnicity, it also indicates nationality. Bakircioglu's family is from Turkey, meaning that he is a Swedish person of Turkish descent. – PeeJay 20:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

No "german ü"

In the Swedish civil registry all persons with this name (33 individuals) are spelled Bakircioglu (without the "German ü", but also without he "g" with something on top). The Swedish article is changed according to that. Nobody really knows where the "ü" comes from, and K.B. said in an interview that "you can skip the dots" --Muniswede (talk) 15:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Tried to moved the article to an entry without the "german ü" but id did not work. Someone with authorisation to do it? --Muniswede (talk) 15:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Mostly in the press the "ü" is present. Not in football sites: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Why should it be here? --Muniswede (talk) 16:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

You say Kennedy has claimed "you can skip the dots", but does that mean they shouldn't be there or that he just doesn't care whether they're there or not? Also, if the press uses the diaeresis, why don't the football sites (or vice-versa)? Clearly there are reliable sources for both sides. – PeeJay 20:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I do really not know where the "ü" comes from. His family did not have it in Turkey (but a special "ğ"). Perhaps the Swedish Civil register (folkbokföringen) can not cope with the "ğ" so they dropped. "ü" is used in Turkish, but not in this case, but is rather common also in Swedish surnames due to German immigration during the centuries. In recent times also newspapers have dropped the "ü", examples: [5], [6], [7] --Muniswede (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Really time to drop the "german ü"

1) It is not the "original" spelling (which is Bakırcıoğlu with a "ğ").

2) It is not the spelling in the Swedish civil register (which is Bakircioglu with "u")

3) It is not the spelling used by KB on Facebook ( https://sv-se.facebook.com/kennedy.bakircioglu )

4) It is not spelling used by Hammarby Fotboll ( http://www.hammarbyfotboll.se/Player.aspx?playerID=84fadc1c-0467-4dff-941b-fb4e5bdae07c )

Why should we use this letter??? Can someone change it, please! --Muniswede (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

One more time, move it! I cannot do it myself, This is utterly disturbing! This is not the Turkish spelling, not the Swedish spelling, not the person's own spelling, not his club's spelling--Muniswede (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

I have looked into this including reading se:Diskussion:Kennedy Bakircioglu, and I have done some cursory Google searches, and I support a move to Kennedy Bakircioglu. Since this appears to be uncontroversial, I will tag Kennedy Bakircioglu in order to make way for a move, but please confirm, Muniswede, that this is the way forward. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I do not really know where the "german ü" comes from. This spelling is still used by some newspapers in Sweden. But as shown above KB does not use it himself, his football club does not use it and it is not in the population register. --Muniswede (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I've asked for deletion of Kennedy Bakircioglu, if deleting admin does not perform the move of Kennedy Bakircioglü to Kennedy Bakircioglu feel free to do it yourself. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 18:42, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I give up. If you want this stupid spelling so ok! --Muniswede (talk) 23:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Chill and await deletion of the target, please. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 23:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Why must we wait so long time for such an obvioyus change? What's the problem?--Muniswede (talk) 12:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

There is no problem as long as Kennedy Bakircioglu redirects here, it's a formality, and there is no deadline. Think positive. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 13:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

More to the point, don't blank pages just because you're getting frustrated. It's a proper dick move. – PeeJay 13:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

O.K. It was perhaps an "overreaction". But I first brought up the problem in early September. Later I presented a lot of references there the name was written without this letter. Here are some more: [8]], [9], [10], [11], [12]. But the "ü" is still in the article name. --Muniswede (talk) 14:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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IPA for name

There is no established Swedish pronunciation of his surnames, but rather several quite different ones. Choosing one Swede's pronunciation of it and making that the norm is misleading and wrong. I would prefer just the Turkish IPA. Aikclaes (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I was just about to make the exact same comment xD. I agree 100%.Jonteemil (talk) 22:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)