Talk:K1 fund

Edits by AFLawyer/NYT Ref

Fllowing note was left on my talkpage:

Please see WP:BLP/N#K1 fund and User talk:AFLawyer. This needs to be thrashed out on the article talk page. JohnCD (talk) 22:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Editor AFLawyer has suggested that the last para is disparaging to a living person, which relies on referencing to this WP:RS from the New York Times supports. If there are concerns with regards the para under WP:BLP, and accepting police investigations move forward, as long as we can include the ref (it is used in other parts of the article, and removal of para and ref has left a gap in the reflist), then I can't see a problem. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 23:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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Concerns raised about this article

The following points made by AFLawyer (talk), who has self-identified as a lawyer concerned in this case, are copied from his talk page as a starting-point for debate.

• When I said that I was familiar with the case I meant that I am very well documented because I have had access to almost all the pretrail documentation, which is a real reliable source. What I can tell is that the information of Mr. Frerichs is not properly sourced just because a newspaper decided so. Please reconsider the fact that the article is not being neutral, this article is saying that Mr. Frerichs went on the run (this is a very severe acusation that shouldn't be made without the proper information to support it), another example is that the article is saying that Mr. Frerichs killed himself and right before he shouted "I rather die than going to jail."
• Let me explain to you that the death of Mr. Frerichs is still under investigation by the police in Palma (in order to determine wether he killed himself or if he was killed by someoneelse). The investigation has not even finish and the editor of this article is stating that he 1) killed himself and 2) he shouted "I rather die than going to jail" (which might not be even true, as at the moment of the incident only one witness confirmed this, when there were at least 5 people around).
• Secondly, there is the issue of the accusations of the K1 Fund issues. As Mr. Frerichs died before his right to a pretrail hearing, he will never been accussed in front of a judge for all the commented issues, as he will never be able to defend himself. However, the author of this article is not acting neutral and is inferring that Mr. Fererichs was a friend of Mr. Kiener. Let me point out that Mr. kiener was arrested and accussed by the banks way before all this occurred, as he was the Investment Manager of the funds, and so far (together with the administrator of the fund) are been accused of misleading the information to the banks. Anyway, the trial is currently taking place, so he cannot been accused formally until the judge determines his implications on the case.
• Finally, is the reference of the last paragraph to someone who has has nothing to do with all the matter discussed here and the only reason because she was named is because her name has certain media impact, and which information is irrelevant and is not related to this case, and above all, is not true that is the stepdaughter...

JohnCD (talk) 23:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Much of the base article came from this article on de.wikipedia.org which is the bio of de:Helmut Kiener - yep, in German! The concern re the last para can be quickly solved by removing it under WP:BLP, but pushing up the ref. As we can only rely on WP:RS, if there are disagreement between WP:RS and what he as a lawyer can see, then we can - rightly - only rely on WP:RS under our system. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 23:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Here from BLP/N. I actually think AFLawyer has a point about the last paragraph, and will rewrite it to match the NYT article. That source would support a number of improvements to this article from the de.wp version, but I don't have time right now. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 15:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Undue sections

The Helmut Kiener and Dieter Freiichs sections seem to be giving WP:UNDUE weight to both subjects. Yes, they are notable and covered in reliable sources but the page should mainly cover the subject of the page, K1 Fund, not the founders. I made a few minor edits to condense the section but wanted to see what others thought before trimming some more Meatsgains (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)