Talk:K-pop/Archive 3

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2022

Given the popularity of K-Pop in Thailand and the large number of Thai K-Pop idols, it is strange to have Thailand completely absent while countries like Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam getting sections mentioning K-Pop in their countries.

I would like to ADD::

1. ADD under 'Conventions and music festivals' 2018 - Present: KCON in Thailand

2. ADD under 'Popularity and impact' > 'Southeast Asia' Thailand The Korean wave in Thailand started with the popularity of K-Dramas in the early 2000's. Since then, Korean cultural exports became increasingly popular in Thailand, ranging from food, cosmetics and K-Pop. Following the success of Nichkhun in 2PM, K-Pop companies routinely audition and recruit trainees from Thailand on a regular basis. Today, many of the biggest K-Pop idols come from Thailand, such as Blackpink's Lisa, GOT7's Bambam, NCT's Ten,(G)I-DLE's Minnie, Big Hit's Yorch amongst many others. Thailand is the only country in Southeast Asia to have such extensive representation in K-Pop with all of the Big 4 K-Pop companies having Thai artists on the roster. As such, many K-Pop groups with Thai members regard Thailand as a 'second home' with groups such as Blackpink and GOT7 playing the most concert dates in Thailand outside of Korea on their world tours. In addition to having Thai idols debuting in Korea, many K-Pop idols also collaborate with Thai artists, such as Sam Kim collaborating with Mew Suppasit and F.Hero featuring Stray Kids's Changbin in their songs. Chunhyeh (talk) 10:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Requests for updates to sections 3.6, 4.1. 4.2

Parts of the page are very out of date; the sections 4.1 (Industry-Agencies) and 4.2 (Industry-Sales and market value) are enormously out of date: HYBE (formerly BigHit) has been the biggest agency for a few years, having overtaken the former Big 3. Sales numbers in general should be updated also.

In Section 3.6 there is no mention of newer, globally impactful groups like BlackPink, the newer global recognition of kpop in general, nor of the post-2017 global accomplishments of BTS. Information on 3rd generation vs. 4th generation kpop groups/idols in section 3.6 (and/or a new section 3.7) would also be useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.180.3.131 (talk) 23:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

gayo

The term is still used in Korea to describe Korean popular music, including "idol music", which is often associated with the term "K-pop". However, there are many Korean non-idol acts who 1.) make pop music or 2.) refer to themselves or are generally referred to as "K-pop", such as Balming Tiger, BIG Naughty, Epik High, MFBTY, BIBI, AHN YE EUN, etc.

Ex: Balming Tiger describe themselves as "a rising multi-national alternative K-pop group" on several official social media accounts such as Twitter: https://twitter.com/balmingtiger?s=20&t=2XY1Ib4wc1R6-T383f4UCQ and Youtube: https://youtube.com/c/BalmingTiger

BIG Naughty declared in an interview with Hiphopplaya that he's "not hiphop" since his music falls increasingly under "popular music" ("대중가요", daejung gayo): https://youtube.com/P_Ih14Q-cwc On Instagram, he posted a story that includes the words "I'm K-pop" (케이팝): https://hiphople.com/kboard/23468401

Ktaec (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022

I would like to edit the sub-title for Southeast Asia. I think it's important to add the geographical and cultural proximities there because Southeast Asia is pretty much where K-Pop was internationally expanding in the first place. Tommyhyouka (talk) 08:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Government support in lead?

Should the government support section be briefly mentioned in the lead? Seems quite influential on the development and spread of K-POP. Yannn11 15:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

"Not all K-pop fans are young women"

This relies on an assumption that the reader thinks most K-pop fans are young women without providing a source that that is the case? And then the next line stating that listening to k-pop challenges masculinity?? I think that that's a particularly anglo-centric assumption to make. Freedom4U (talk) 04:42, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree. There is a disconnect between the statement and the source. It's also not clear what is the relevance of the proceeding sentence. Yannn¹¹ 02:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I've removed this section. Yannn¹¹ 02:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2023

Change the section under "Popularity and Influence" for the Nepal section

Influence on Nepal

With the development of social media, K-Pop quickly rose to become influential on Nepal and is one of the most popular genres there. The younger generation of Nepalis use social media sites such as YouTube to teach themselves Korean to better understand Korean pop music and TV series. Korean culture became so influential that a lot of shop owners claim that Korean cosmetics are as popular or if not more popular than western brands, as many young Nepalis wanted to dress and look exactly like their Korean idols. Furthermore, with this increase of Korean influence, it brought a lot of Korean food and restaurants to the country, where majority of their customers are Nepalis who are big fans of K-Drama and K-Pop.

A lot of people claim that K-Pop has become so popular that they are preferred over Bollywood and Western cultures. They idolize a lot of K-Pop artists because they see them as a family, where they feel a sense of worth and togetherness because artists such as BTS dedicate a lot of their songs to their fans and really connects with them, and many Nepalis say that their music distracts them from reality, stress, and loneliness. K-Pop has influenced them so heavily that a lot of the youth have grown a love for Korea, and many have this goal where they want to travel to Korea at least once in their lifetime.

Much positive impact has also come from K-Pop influences. For example, a lot of the BTS ARMY (fans) held charity events to raise money for the Chepang community. They collaborated with others to hold a “Flood Donation campaign,” and made a lot of donations to children on their Facebook page, giving clothes and funds. This was all inspired and influenced by BTS, where they have a lyric saying “Love yourself even though the world does not recognize you,” and they plan to carry on holding these fundraising campaigns. Daamin14 (talk) 09:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding K-pop Groups/Idols' Participation in Music Festivals

Was thinking that this could be a good addition to the "Music Festivals" subsection. There have been very notable achievements as of the last few years, such as Blackpink becoming the first K-pop girl group to perform at Coachella in 2019 and now will be the first K-pop group to perform on the main stage at Coachella in 2023. K-pop groups performing at internationally recognized music festivals have also become pretty normal, which is of note as well. Risururun (talk) 21:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Survival Shows Promotion

Addition of the marketing/promotion factor of survival shows such as the Produce series, Girls Planet, Boys Planet, etc. It's seen with a lot of criticism, as mentioned in the wiki page, but it can be a nice stepping stone for idols to get their name out there in the industry by showcasing their charms/talents. Groups like IVE and Le Sserafim are groups that have undeniably benefitted from this.Risururun (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding Example and Graphic on Tiktok Influence on K-pop

Addition example on audio exposing upcoming K-pop artists and their rise to popularity off of Tiktok. Fifty Fifty is an example of a group that has really exploded in monthly listeners after their song Cupid became a staple Tiktok audio. This shows how Tiktok trends can in Fifty Fifty's case, quadruple their monthly listeners or more. Snakeeyes222 (talk) 21:06, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Idols' Involvement in K-Dramas

Wanted to add a bit about how K-pop idols are often casted in K-dramas. It can have an overall positive effect, as it can increase viewership, but it can also backfire in the case where the idol is not very good at acting. Many ex-K-pop idols also end up in the acting scene once they part their ways with music.Risururun (talk) 00:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2023

86.97.149.111 (talk) 07:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)   

k-pop has been proved to be the most liked type of music that has ever been found

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 08:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Agreed 92.23.184.58 (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

[361] Source change

Original source site International Business Times, This site is defined as an untrusted site. Therefore, I changed the reference to an article on a news website whose reliability has not been questioned instead of this site. The reason for the lack of reliability for this site is shown in WP:RSP. Kloyan.L (talk) 06:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

[341] Source change

The source of the previous comment that "the police were called to clear the traffic" was YouTube. YouTube is generally treated as an unreliable source on Wikipedia. In particular, users who uploaded videos are not reliable at all, and police do not appear in the contents of the video. So I changed the news site to a reference site while modifying some of the existing sentences. This news, serviced by Yahoo, has no problem with reliability.

See the following framework for why YouTube is treated as an unreliable source. WP:RSP. Kloyan.L (talk) 06:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Overlink and repetitive

Article currently suffers from MOS:OVERLINK and MOS:REPEATLINK. I made some edits; remainder should be quick.

It also suffers from being repetitive. CTRL+F "Kim Jong Un", "Big Bang"/"BigBang", and "Shinee", and you'll see what I mean. I don't think significant structural changes are needed, imo the article has reasonably clear sections already. Just needs to be pruned and repeat stuff needs to be consolidated into one appropriate place. toobigtokale (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)