Talk:Joe Madureira

Image

According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright, "All fair use images must be used as a part of a commentary on the material in question; it is not acceptable to use fair use images for mere decoration." The current use of the image Image:Bc3.jpg does not qualify this, as there is no discussion of this particular image or his Battle Chasers artwork in general in the article (there is hardly anything on any of his artwork.) So, for now, it should not be included. --Fritz S. (Talk) 18:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Original Research?

"his popular work lead to a new interest in Japanese entertainment in the U.S." this definately needs to be sourced.--Fritz S. (Talk) 11:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

external link

I propose to put a link towards a gallery of various variant covers of Joe Madureira. This is the link : http://abcovers.free.fr/index.php?option=com_ponygallery&Itemid=26&func=viewcategory&catid=29 Do you think this is appropriate?Kaperni | Talk 16:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The link seems completely useless to me given that the one page currently linked in the article, JoeMAdFan.com, already has all those covers and many more; in a higher resolution and without the watermarks that is. And it's ad-free, too. So, if you ask me, I don't think the link should be included. --Fritz S. (Talk) 17:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

stop plugging your site. for god's sake, you have the same handle there as on wikipedia. no, it's *not* appropriate. Exvicious 08:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

First work

According to the entry, Madureira's first published work is this story starring Northstar in Marvel Comics Presents: http://www.comics.org/issue/50499/

  However, this story starring Mojo was drawn by him and published three issues earlier in the same series: http://www.comics.org/issue/50419/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.50.90.69 (talk) 12:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC) 

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Darksiders?

Wouldn't he be more known for Darksiders than Uncanny X-men? Darksiders is getting pretty big as a franchise now, with millions of copies sold, Uncanny X-Men is big too, but he was just one of many artists that worked on that, it would seem he's more notable for the Darksiders universe than the Uncanny X-Men, after all he did create the four horsemen characters, and was one of the two founders of the studio that created Darksiders,(Vigil Games), along with overseeing most of the first two games development, not to mention he created most of the Darksiders I and II universe.

"Joe Madureira (often called Joe Mad,[1][2] born December 1974) is a comic book writer/artist and game developer, best known for his work on Marvel Comics' Uncanny X-Men and his creator-owned comic book Battle Chasers."

Wouldn't it make more sense to put, "best known for his work on Darksiders, Uncanny X-men and his creator owned comic Battle Chasers."?

Joe Madureira is Portugese

https://twitter.com/joemadx/status/349669134885322754?lang=en 68.189.4.21 (Talk) 10:28, July 7, 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that bit. However, there was no reason to remove the citation supporting his date of birth. Also, the tweet your cited makes no mention of his parents, so I removed that portion of your edit. Thanks again. Nightscream (talk) 15:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

There was a previous entry that mentioned he has an Azorean Father and American Mother, the source that this was taken from doesn't exist, but it's not difficult to assume that the person who added this entry was accurate. (Whoever the person was that added it). A majority of Portuguese-Americans are actually Azoreans, especially from California, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island. Every notable Portuguese American that I can think of is Azorean or has Azorean heritage. Like Pat Toomey / Al Gore (politicians) Steve Perry / Katy Perry (lead singers), Tom Hanks (actor), Pete Souza (Presidential photographer) and J.G. Quintel (cartoonist) for example. "Portuguese" is generally a broader term that's used for Portuguese Azorean Americans, when no one has established what their exact lineage is. If you google "Madureira Azorean" you get a wiki entries with secondary sources that mentions this, the article where the source itself comes from, <ref> https://www.cbr.com/year-of-the-artist-day-329-joe-madureira-part-1-marvel-comics-presents-89-and-92/ <ref> is no longer available, but I'm sure it was a primacy source. Again it's very, very likely that the previous entry is accurate and that he is an Azorean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.4.21 (talk) 16:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're referring to by a "previous entry", but we do not add or retain content on the basis of any assumptions we make of editors, or what we think is "likely" about their contributions. We do so on the basis of citations of reliable, published sources, per WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:CS, WP:IRS, etc.

The CBR.com url you provided above is a dead link.

Also, please make sure you sign your talk page posts, which makes it easier for everyone to know who they're addressing. You can do this by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of them, which also automatically time stamps them. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 21:37, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

You do realize the article did state the following, "Joe Madureira was born December 1974 to an American mother and a Portuguese father from the Azores."? Which had stayed in the article for many years. With the cited reference https://www.cbr.com/year-of-the-artist-day-329-joe-madureira-part-1-marvel-comics-presents-89-and-92/ ? Which yes, is a dead link, hence why I stated, "the article where the source itself comes from is no longer available". And when your talking about something like ancestry that information is already in very shaky ground, regardless of which person your referring too. Because no, not everyone that claims to be of a certain ethnicity is always of that given ethnicity or may have fewer genetic markers, or express different phenotypical traits. It's not necessary to have a source that contains a genetic test for every person named "McGregor" or "O'Shaughnessy" that claims to be Irish. But sure if you want to be pedantic about it then cite "WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:CS". I suppose when the tweet eventually gets deleted when he stated he is Portuguese, and all the people that acknowledged that that was accurate, then that will be edited from this Wikipedia page as well? There's really nothing else to add to this conversation, other than the fact that several other websites on Joe Madureira, (Which is a very low class biography, by the way) acknowledges this information from that missing source to be accruate, and so did this one for many years.

https://ultimatepopculture.fandom.com/wiki/Joe_Madureira

https://informationcradle.com/joe-madureira/

https://showbizworth.com/2021/04/14/joe-madureira/

68.189.4.21 (talk) 03:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I do realize the article contained that passage. I know because I'm the one who removed it on May 9, because the cited CBR.com article made no mention of his parents, the Azores, or anything Portuguese, as this archived version of that article shows.

And yes, you do not need a source if you want an article to claim that a given subject is Irish, regardless of what their name is, just as you need one for the claim that they're Portuguese. This not only because of policy -- citation of which is part is not "pedantic", but simply how the editing community maintains the integrity of this project -- but also because whether articles contain such material is going to be governered not by merely generalities of genetics and ethnicity, but also things like whether the subject strongly identifies as such, whether they've stated as much in coverage of their lives, patterns of migration, adoption, etc. For example, many notable people with Irish names do not identify as Irish and not generally thought of Irish, including Eddie Murphy, Isaac Hayes, Dizzy Gillespie, Toni Morrison. Should we add mention to those articles that they're Irish without citations?

If there are other websites that are reliable enough to pass WP:IRS, then by all means, cite them! I notice, however, that all three of the websites you cited are not only wikis themselves (which would violates WP:USERG), but are clearly just mirroring the Wikipedia article on the topic. (See WP:CIRCULAR) Did you not see this when you looked at them?

As far as your question about the tweet "eventually get[ting] deleted", I have no idea what you mean by that. If one were to remove it from the article, they would have to have a valid rationale for doing so. Nightscream (talk) 18:18, 8 July 2021 (UTC)