Talk:Jim Gordon (musician)

He "IS a musician" or WAS a musician?

Lenbrazil (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

He IS a musician.

I used the California State Prison System Inmate Locator online tool on 8 August 2017. It confirmed that James Beck Gordon is 72 years old and incarcerated at their medical facility in Vaccaville. He may be restricted to just singing, humming, and whistling these days, but "once a musician, always a musician".

He probably even has a whole well-trained orchestra in his head, by now.

ChrisJBenson (talk) 23:22, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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Is Jim Gordon still earning royalties?

I'm trying to determine whether Gordon (who is still in prison) is still earning royalties from his recordings. The latest source I've found is from 2007 (http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2007/1/2007_1_48.shtml; third-last paragraph), which isn't recent enough to substantiate a statement in the Wikipedia article. Any Gordon fans out there know of a reputable source that is current? RedActor61 (talk) 06:21, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

• I don't see any reason why things would have changed since the 2007 article. If he was earning royalties as of 2007, I doubt that he would have stopped receiving them since then. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

He will always get the royalty payments - however - he is not really able to utilize them while incarcerated - pay attorney fees would be allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.31.53 (talk) 14:54, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Did this Jim Gordon actually work with John Lennon?

From what I can find there is a different James Gordon. What's really confusing is that this James Gordon also worked with Delaney & Bonnie so it's easy to understand the confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.200.207 (talk) 17:57, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this Jim Gordon [1] is the correct Jim Gordon. See this article : [2] Jim Gordon was playing with Zappa in this time period as was John Lennon. It all adds up as the right time period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teladesor (talk • contribs) 03:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• It's definitely Jim Gordon, the drummer, on Lennon's Imagine and Some Time in NYC albums. I don't know anything about Gordon and Zappa … Gordon's appearance (on the Sometime in NYC "Live Jam" disc) came about through the late 1969 Delaney & Bonnie and Friends' European tour, with Harrison and Clapton – all of whom joined Lennon & Ono as "the Plastic Ono Supergroup" for a concert at the London Lyceum. I'll go ahead and remove the dubious/discuss tag. JG66 (talk) 00:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I think trying to limit

(@Binksternet:) Gordon to one genre, Blues rock, is a bad mistake, very misleading. Just because he played with Eric Clapton doesn't mean it's all he did. Take a look at his discography then think about it. Then edit. Carptrash (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

So tell me what reliable sources say when describing him rather than his works. Is he called a country drummer? "Gordon the psychedelic rock drummer"? "Gordon the pop drummer?" No.

I hold that a song's genre is determined by reliable sources that describe the song rather than the album.

I hold that an album's genre is determined by reliable sources that describe the album rather than a summary of all the songs, and rather than the genre of the artist.

I hold that an artist's genre is determined by reliable sources that describe the artist rather than the works of the artist. Binksternet (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

So I guess I'll have to check your sources that he is a Blues rock drummer. Carptrash (talk) 23:56, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

I hold that there is not a source for the claim that he is a Blues rock drummer, but I am waiting for you to offer one. Carptrash (talk) 23:58, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

All I could find was "rock drummer" from AllMusic, and the same from a book by Mark Katz. Nobody is calling him a blues drummer let alone a blues rock drummer. Binksternet (talk) 05:02, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

So are we comfortable with Rock? Carptrash (talk) 15:52, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Associated acts

@Binksternet: I see that you just lopped Randy Newman off Gordon’s “Assoociated acts” list. Probably a good idea but the rational of “one album is not so closely associated” can be applied to a lot of the other acts listed there, some of which might even fall into the “one song” category. Gordon was an actual band member of Delaney, Bonnie & Friends, Derek and the Dominos, Traffic, the Souther–Hillman–Furay Band, and seems to have been the regular drummer for the Incredible Bongo Band, but most of the rest of the list seems to me to be a song-here-and-there, maybe a whole album, maybe just a few cuts. With Harrison’s All Things Must Pass albums he is one of four drummers listed. On Nilsson’s Nilsson Schmilsson he plays on half the tracks. That leaves these folks. Steely Dan, Eric Clapton, Joe Cocker, Alice Cooper, Bread, the Everly Brothers, the Beach Boys, the Beau Brummels, Mason Williams, Gene Clark, the Byrds, Frank Zappa, Souther–Hillman–Furay Band, Dave Mason, Gordon Lightfoot, David Ackles, John Lennon, The Carpenters. Maybe keep Joe Cocker because of the Mad Dogs and Englishmen legend, maybe not. I would favor removing all these acts from the info-box based on your rational. To try and cram a session player’s whole career into such a place is hubris. Carptrash (talk) 01:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I like the direction you suggest. The guideline for this stuff is at Template:Infobox musical artist#associated_acts, which directs us to list only the most important connections, not one-offs and session work. Binksternet (talk) 01:38, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Age should be 77

Shows as 76, with DOB July 14 (which has come and gone). I could not edit it, b/c the age seems to be auto-generated (but is incorrect). 66.177.251.92 (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Schizophrenia

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Are we talking here about Richard Feynman, the American theoretical physicist? Carptrash (talk) 20:09, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

HTML

There are a number of instances of the code '&bnsp;'. I assume this was intended to be the non-breaking space code ' '. I do not have an account, so maybe someone who *does* might care to fix this. (Actually I don't know why they didn't just use a simple space - ' ' is generally used when multiple spaces are desired.) 82.7.30.167 (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)