Talk:Jean-Vincent d'Abbadie de Saint-Castin

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I need to criticize the history that is presented here about the Baron de St.-Castin. I spent quite a bit of time years ago studying Jean Vincent. I will let others source this out.

First, Jean Vincent was born in the country of Navarre--not France. When Henri IV, the first French Bourbon King, took the thrown, he became the King of two distinct countries, France and Navarre. This distinction existed well into the 18th century. So, the Barony of St.-Castin is a Navarran Barony, not a French Barony, during the life of Jean Vincent. It's my opinion that the more progressive culture in Navarre contributed to Jean's character in a way that allowed him to be a successful leader in Acadia.

Having been to site where the Chateau de Saint-Castin once stood, I can safely assert that his background is more humble than some histories assert.

As a teenager, he did join the Carignan Salieres. My study arrived at the idea St.-Castin could not have been involved with Iroquois War mentioned in the article. I filled in the blanks of my history with a more plausible thought, his unit guarded a supply route between Quebec and, maybe, northern New York. He actually returned to France after that tour of duty. He was recruited in La Rochelle into a company that would occupy Fort Pentagoet. This was never a "Capitol of Acadia." Acadia was governed from Quebec. The regional authority, I believe was based at what is today, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia. Fort Pentagoet was an outpost. Just up the Bagaduce River, from Pentagoet was a community of Penobscot that traded with soldiers. At the time, that was a common practice. He would eventually build his home within this community.

After the Dutch pirates sacked Ft. Pentagoet, St.-Castin stayed. I think that his contribution to the European History of Acadia is its successful defense without a fort. I think that he exploited his intimate relationships among the Penobscot and the English's idea of brutal savages inhabiting the Acadian region--a more psychological approach.

The most interesting military event of his life, was Ft. Pemquid. The Massachusetts Bay Colony dedicated a lot of money to build it, as a defense against French incursion. The French, in part led by Jean Vincent, brought a naval cannon, that would contribute to its defeat.

The biggest challenges to gaining an accurate history of the Baron de St.-Castin are: the English bias of Maine history and the folklore-like stories, fiction, that have filtered into popular history.

Alaric Faulkner wrote a text that does a very good job revealing some of this history.

Norumbega GuyNorumbegaguy (talk) 06:07, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your research. According to Brenda Dunn's book Port Royal/ Annapolis (2004) and Faulkner, Alaric, and Gretchen F. Faulkner. 1994. in their chapter Fort Pentagoet and Castin's Habitation: French Ventures in Acadian Maine, Castine was the capital of Acadia from 1670 to 1674. While clearly Quebec had influence over Acadia, the capital for most the period prior to the Conquest of Acadia in 1710 was Port Royal. After 1710, the British capital of the region (Nova Scotia) remained Port Royal which they re-named Annapolis Royal.--Hantsheroes (talk) 00:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I would love to know the source of the information for this paragraph: In an effort to identify these remains, it was brought to the attention of the Smithsonian. They responded that while there was ample proof or evidence that suggested it might be the Baron, it didn't matter, either way the remains were to be repatrioted back to the Penobscot Nation. ArchivistAM (talk) 18:16, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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I have added considerable text. Although a more through rendition of Saint-Castin's role in the development of Acadian should be done, I believe the entry now has decent historical context. --Stormbay 23:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed "Alternative Death"

IP user User:68.55.38.200 proposed the following alternative scenario. It needs better sourcing to be added to the article, but I'm adding it here for discussion.

Alternate Death: The Baron of Castin entered into Wampum Covenant with "Chief" Prince Madockawando. Madockawando gave at least Two Daughters to Seal the Covenant. Of these, there are many Daughters. One such Daughter is known as "Princess Theresa" and according to "Family History" she is said to have died at her Father's side during the Attack on Port Royal in 1707. The subsequent discovery of Remains on Campbell Island, just off Deer Island Maine, "...a French skeleton in armor. The weapons and items were identical to those of a French officer of the Carignan-Salières regiment. A halberd, sword, blunderbuss and other weapons were recovered. A tomahawk was found with a Maltese cross etched on it. The remains were found buried next to a Native American woman. They were repatriated to the Penobscot Nation." The symbol on the Tomahawk referred to as a "Maltese Cross" is the Royal Seal of "Chief" Prince Madockawando; and is actually a representation of the "Thunder/Fire/Water Bird" aka "Phoenix" of the Empire of the Sun. These have Confirmed to minds of the Family, that these are the remains of the Baron and his Daughter "Princess Theresa"; who died at Port Royal in 1707. - as taken from the Family Records of Benedict Medicine Lodge dba Signet Crown of Turtle Island, and Odanaka Oral Tradition.

Plandu (talk) 23:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)