Talk:Jauhar

Revert

I put the “invading Muslim army” phrase back in the article. Here is the explanation before anybody attempts any knee-jerk revert.

In *ALL* the instances of Jauhar it was the muslim armies who featured as the invaders. No single instance of Jauhar/Shaka exists which was precipitated by an invading Hindu army. When Hindu armies captured a fort held by another ruler - whether Hindu or otherwise - they did not molest the women and children in general. For example, during the peak years of Maratha imperialism Maratha armies overran fortresses in Rajasthan several times, but that never resulted in any Jauhar.

Some may see the phrase by communal angle, but it is still necessary to provide right context for the need of such an extreme measure by the defenders of the forts.

even i support this...there is no incident of hindu or rajputs doing jauhar when defeated by hindu kings but this was mainly phenomena seen during the mughal conquest only

Sisodia 05:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

"Internecine warfare among the Rajput kingdoms almost certainly supplied the first occasions for jauhar, well before the Muslim invasions with which the practice is popularly associated"

- Ashis Nandy, "Sati as Profit versus Sati as Spectacle: The Public Debate on Roop Kanwar's Death," in Hawley, Sati  the Blessing and the Curse: The Burning of Wives in India

Also etymology of "Jauhar" is from "Jiv Haar" (losing life) & was later conflated with the Arabic word Jawhar. (Same Source)

175.110.215.221 (talk) 13:11, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Please introduce the proper sources & references with citations.

How can I add the box that says that the article don't cite it's sources? --Alnokta 22:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Can someone state where does the word 'Saka' occur and which lang. is it exactly? And what does Saka mean precisely? Does it have anything at all to do with the Scythian 'Sakas', from whom the Rajputs were supposedly descended from?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.226.184 (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Panipat

Some details of Panipat war with Abidali shold be given in the article. vkvora 06:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Grammatical Editing

I have absolutely no knowledge of this subject, but I noticed a few grammatical errors. I would guess the person who wrote this is not a native English speaker, and even being a native speaker I sometimes have trouble with the rules and such. I did my best to remove some of the more glaring errors without changing the content. If I inadvertently changed the meaning of something, I'm sorry. Happytrombonist16 04:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:RS

Reliable sources are not limited to peer-reviewed journals. Anmol Publishing is a respected publishing house. Since Dr. Bakshi's book has been published by Anmol it meets WP:RS.Bakaman 20:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you provide evidence that Anmol publishing is a respected publishing house?Bless sins (talk) 23:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

A better question is if you can provide evidence to the contrary, considering "respected" is a somewhat gray area. Anyways people like VK Bhalla have chosen to publish with Anmol, so its reputation stands.Bakaman 03:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Go fight over at Talk:Sati (practice). Get consensus there, and we'll discuss wording. Relata refero (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The burden of evidence is on you Bakaman. Also, Bhalla is reliable on "Security Analysis & Portfolio Management, Financial Derivatives, International Finance & corporate decision Making," which is not exactly similar to historical suicide.Bless sins (talk) 15:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Rajasthan workgroup Addition

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Rajasthan workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Rajasthan or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 07:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Jahaur is not limited to rajput clans

Jauhar was not limited to rajput clans,though rajput history is marked by large number of jauhars commited to uphold self respect but there are also many instances of jauhar from other clans. One of these instances include the arab conquest of sindh. When Raja dahir was killed in battle with muhammad bin quasim his wife alongwith other women in fort immolated themselves to save their honour.Vashisht12348 (talk) 21:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vashisht12348 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources? Bladesmulti (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Vandalism

@Ms Sarah Welch: There has been various vandalism on this page since your edit, please review it and fix it. Additionally, Jauhar was not just limited to Rajasthan, but also in Madhya Pradesh (Central India), Karnataka (South India) and in Kashmir (North India) and Sindh. 23:29, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Please be more specific. Jauhar may have happened elsewhere, but unless you can provide WP:RS, it cannot be summarized in this article. Wikipedia follows peer-reviewed publications, does not lead them. On rest, edit diffs would help. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:22, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Practice section

In the practice section, it said that jauhar had been claimed to be unrelated to sati, but then went on to say 'however' and then explain why it was unrelated, so the intent of the first line seems to have been "jauhar has been claimed as being culturally related to Sati". (emphasis mine)

I changed it to read as such, please revert if I am wrong. Readingpro256 _{talk to me contribs} 22:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)