Talk:Izmail

Requested move

It is hereby proposed to move Izmail, Ukraine to Izmail to reverse current redirect. No ambiguity in "Izmail". Proposed move posted at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#June_20,_2005 -Irpen 20:41, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

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• Support as per above. -Irpen 20:41, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
• Support it was my mistake to name it "Izmail, Ukraine".(Fisenko 21:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC))
• Support bogdan ʤjuʃkə | ^Talk 21:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Alexander 007 22:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

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I just went and moved it. There seemed to be no reason to require the vote. Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-06-21 05:26 Z

I think you only moved "talk". The article is still Izmail, Ukraine and Izmail redirects to Izmail, Ukraine. I tried to move it but I could not. -Irpen 06:21, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

So I moved the talk page back so that it links with the article page. Better that they are moved together. 17:49, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Eek, oops. Thanks for fixing that. —Michael Z. 2005-06-21 19:21 Z

ARTICLE MOVED now. Issue closed. Thanks! -Irpen July 1, 2005 18:44 (UTC)

Unfortunate redirect

Siege of Izmail redirects here, although this article doesn't treat the siege. Anyone know why this is? UnDeadGoat 22:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Name and fortress

This article states: The fortress of Izmail was built by Genoese merchants in the 12th century. And: The town was first mentioned with the name Şmil, derived from name of an Ottoman Empire Grand Vizier. On the article Budjak however, we read: Under the Ottomans [...] Chilia lost importance due to the construction of the Ismail fortress at the locatation of the Moldavian village Smil.
Either of these statements is true, or none of them, but I hardly believe that both are. Either the fortress was Genoese, or it was built by the Ottomans much later (after 1484), so that Chilia could lose its importance for that reason. And either the name Şmil is derived from the name of a grand vizier, or it was the name of a Moldavian village (why would a Moldavian village have the name of an Ottoman grand vizier?)
I think that we have four possibilities:

1. There was a Genoese fortress at this place, but the Turkish name Izmail dates from the Ottoman era.
2. There was no fortress here before the Ottomans came, and the Turkish name Izmail came together with the fortress they built.
3. There was a Genoese fortress here, and a Moldavian village as well: Smil. The latter gave the city its name.
4. There was no Genoese fortress here, but there was a Moldavian village: Smil. The latter gave the city its name.

I don't know what to choose, but it should be mentioned that in the article Recherches sur les Ottomans et la Moldavie ponto-danubienne entre 1484 et 1520 (Nicoară Beldiceanu et al., 1982, to be found in JSTOR) there is no mention about a place or fortress called Smil or Izmail in this area. Fransvannes (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Conquered

The city wasn't reconquered by the russians in 1877, since russians and romanians were fighting together against the ottomans. The city's ocuppation was an abuse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.228.216 (talk) 11:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism

The sentences reading:

"Suvorov announced the capture of Ismail in 1791 to the Empress Catherine in a doggerel couplet, after the assault had been pressed from house to house, room to room, and nearly every Muslim man, woman, and child in the city had been killed in three days of uncontrolled massacre, 40,000 Turks dead, a few hundred taken into captivity. For all his bluffness, Suvorov later told an English traveller that when the massacre was over he went back to his tent and wept."

are not merely drawn from the source they cite (Goodwin, Lords of the Horizon) but are in fact word for word copied from that page. They should at least be given in quotation marks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.100.111 (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Tetyana Grapcheva

Who is she?! In some places on the internet she's listed as a "prime-minister" but there are no further sources whatsoever. Also, what is a "teleagent for AFKL"? Is this a prank? 5.44.195.167 (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

The Massacre of 1791 at Izmail

Throughout the years after the following quote was introduced there have been a number of edits to remove the fact that a massacre took place after Suvorov captured Izmail in 1791, the manner that massacre was carried out, and the magnitude of that massacre. I restored the original quote. Whether the article should contain such quotes instead of a different style more appropriate for Wikipedia is secondary. Someone is trying to hide a massacre which probably caused other massacres later as being a pretext. If a genocidal massacre can be erased out of simple edits by people with agendas when there is a clear reference and quote on the grounds of "plagiarism" or no explanation at all I wonder what else is being hidden or distorted in Wikipedia. NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION.

"He[Suvorov] announced the capture of Ismail in 1791 to the Tsarina Catherine in a doggerel couplet, after the assault had been pressed from house to house, room to room, and nearly every Muslim man, woman and child in the city had been killed in three days of uncontrolled massacre, 40,000 Turks dead, a few hundred taken into captivity. For all his bluffness, Suvorov later told an English traveler that when the massacre was over he went back to his tent and wept." 104.162.130.228 (talk) 14:36, 8 April 2023 (UTC)