Talk:Is It Over Now?/GA1

GA Review

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Once the article got nominated, uh huh, C-class, High-importance, uh-huh...

...to be honest the intro was a bit cringe L O L. But yeah, I am here to review this song, and I have one question for you, ...are you ready for it?

(plays ridiculously deep bass notes and snake sound effects)

Reviewer: Brachy0008 (talk · contribs) 03:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ronherry Can you quote FN 20 and FN 24. I can’t access them and I need them for the source review. Brachy08 _(Talk) 00:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ronherry @Ippantekina I made additional comments regarding the article. Brachy08 _(Talk) 01:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Copyvios

• Violation unlikely (34.2%)
• TurnItIn results: no matching sources found.

Sourcing

Comparing the article to another article I passed (Say Don't Go), the Background section has almost the same sources and lines as the latter, so I'd skip the Background section and jump straight into the juicy stuff.

FN 13: Doesn’t really support the failed romantic relationship and the mixed feelings that ensue, Reliable.

I do not know when that line was rephrased as such but there's been a surge of oversimplification trend in song articles on Wikipedia recently, in the name of weeding out superfluous details. But I feel like some editors go overboard and just summarize a song's lyrical theme in a very vapid way, especially in Swift's songs. "This song is about failed romance" being slapped over every single article LOL. ℛonherry☘ 19:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

yeah, to be honest, most of her songs are breakup songs LOL. Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

That's a popular belief, but not true factually. There are studies to support it. ℛonherry☘ 08:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I know that it isn’t really true. Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

plus folklore and evermore exists. Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

also have you addressed my points yet? Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I am in the process of. See below. ℛonherry☘ 08:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for addressing the FN 28 33 40 point Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I suppose I don't have to address comments where you've concluded you'll "let it pass"? Because, I agree with your arguments there. I've responded to the points where you've posed a question or have asked for help/clarity. Cheers. ℛonherry☘ 08:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I haven’t fully finished my review, but it will be over pass once all the points are addressed and Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay. ℛonherry☘ 08:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

FN 15-16: Does not, really, support the She accuses him of cheating statement, but to be fair, I'd say that You search in every model's bed for something greater implies that she is cheated on and they support the resentment part, so it will pass.

FN 17: The source says If none of these songs come off as total tragedies, that’s partly because of the slightly tempered nature of her lyric-writing at the time. It says that the not total tragedy thing was caused by Swift's songwriting, not the mid-tempo throb. However the statement, mid-tempo throb that is going for pleasure more than abject sadness implies what the sentence it gets cited on says, so I would let it pass.

FN 18: Does not support admits that she too has cheated on him, reliable Double checked: I opened the wrong source (LOBF) LOL. FN 18 (American Songwriter) does verify the claim.

FN 19-20: I can't access both articles because me broke. Can you do me a favour and quote them for me pls? Brachy08 _(Talk) 01:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC) (I put my siggy just so you can comment)

I can't access either of the sources either. I'm not sure why. I remember the Financial Times URL being available initially. ℛonherry☘ 08:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok... Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

FN 26: I can't find anything about NJ.com on WP:RSP and WP:ALBUMSOURCES. Anyway, it does support feelings of "sorrow, fragility and rage" resembled the sentiments of "All Too Well" (2012)

FN 27: I also have concerns of its reliability, as i was purchased by DMGT in 2019, before the source was published. DMGT also runs Daily Mail, which is a deprecated source. However, i was a sister paper to The Independent, a reliable source, so I'll presume that is is reliable. Confirms the "spiritual sequel" to "I Knew You Were Trouble" (2012) statement.

FN 28, 33, 40: I can't access the source. Can you please quote it for me?

@Brachy0008: 28, 33 (paste the Billboard article link in the search engine and run it), and 40. ℛonherry☘ 08:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

FN 28: Verified

FN 33 (erroneously labeled as FN 40): Verified

FN 40 (erroneously labeled as FN 33): Verified Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

FN 21-25 Adressed

Overalls: Maybe rephrase it to several connected the song to or described it as a thematic continuation of "Out of the Woods", a single from 1989.

FN 21: The source says They’ll find connections to "Out of the Woods" on "Is It Over Now?" in the lyrics "when you lost control / red blood, white snow." Nothing about Is It Over Now? being a thematic continuation of Out of the Woods, but rather a connection. FN 21 never said anything about both songs address the uneasy situation of a past relationship and feature details regarding an accident.

I did not write this prose. Don't know how it got here. But I agree it seems like a reach. Probably a bad attempt at paraphrasing/condensing from another editor. Fixing it immediately. ℛonherry☘ 08:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

FN 22: Similarly to FN 21, FN 22 said that Is It Over Now? had audible callbacks to "Out of the Woods". This may imply that it is a continuation of the latter, so I'd let it pass. FN 22 does not make any mention of any accident.

FN 23: No problems about the source. (FYI I had to do a bit some paraphrasing and inferencing to get the you know)

FN 24: I can't access the source. Can you please like, quote it?

12ft is a good site for us broke people. It does not work for all publications, but it does work for the some major ones. Run the link through here and you can read the full article yourself. ℛonherry☘ 08:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

FN 25: The source addresses the thematic continuation of "Out of the Woods" statements, but not the both songs address the uneasy situation of a past relationship and feature details regarding an accident.

Other comments: You can try citing FN 29 for the several described it as a thematic continuation of "Out of the Woods", a single from 1989.

 Done all. ℛonherry☘ 08:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Adressed. Brachy08 _(Talk) 08:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing (Part 2)

I started the next chapter of the source review because while addressing some points, some of the FN numbers would change. Yeah, the previous revisions would've been timeless, but we'd be in the clear, yeah, good if we used the updated numbers, and so it goes.... Yeah, I am never stopping the Taylor Swift puns like ever.

Since we are getting back together into the tortured poets department critical reception section, I would focus a bit on the reliability of the source. The critical reception should not have much problems than well, what used to be the mess that was the lyrics and composition section.

FN 57: Quoted, reliable

FN 21: Quoted, reliable

FN the lucky one 13: Quoted, reliable

FN 12: Quoted, reliable

FN 14: Implied, reliable

FN 27: Implied, quoted, can't find NJ.com on the lists, something that may make a potential FA nomination haunted.

FN 20: Can't access (I know, that website exists, I would check that later, ok?)

FN 58: Implied, quoted, reliable

FN 34: Can't find any quotation used in the article in FN 34. Can you let me know where it is in FN 34? Found.

FN 30: Quoted, reliable

FN 59: Quoted, reliable

FN 60: Quoted, reliable, we can hear a bit more from FN 60 though, but that isn't really a concern anyway.

FN 61: Quoted, reliable

FN 63: Can't access it (Again, I did not forget that 12ft existed), presumed reliable (as creator was a former designer of Vogue)

FN 64: Quoted, reliable

FN 26: Quoted, reliable

FN 35: Quoted, reliable

Other concerns

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