Talk:Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II

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I am now returning to this article. All suggestions on how to promote it to GA (or better?) welcome ClemMcGann (talk) 13:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I will wait until the end of May before trying for GA ClemMcGann (talk) 00:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

comparison with Norway.

"The gross register tonnage of Irish ships was 41,105. Norway, a similar sized (initially) neutral nation, had 4,834,902 tonnage.[13]"

I am not sure this comparison is reasonable. While the nations might be similar size Norway had a very strong tradition for trade, control over foreign trade was one of the most important factors that lead to the dissolution of our union with Sweden. So cirumstances differ to a very large extent. Taemyr (talk) 11:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment, and you have a point. I put the comparison in during peer review, see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Peer_review/Irish_Mercantile_Marine_during_World_War_II (the discussion on "diminutive"). The point I was trying to make was that Ireland needed such tonnage. And was probably using such tonnage - using foreign boats. Have you a suggestion as to how that would be best illustrated? - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 11:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

It's tricky. Pretty much any country will either rely on foreign shipping, or operate a mercant fleet as a revenue source. Other countries would be a better comparison though, Norway at the outbreak of the war was the fourth largest merchant fleet in the world. Most comparisons would be scewed though because Ireland was in a very unique position. Do we have comparisons with Sweden, which perhaps is a closer match, beeing another neutral nation effectivly under blockade? Or perhaps a better comparison would be existing merhcant capacity compared to estimatition of needed merchant capacity? Taemyr (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I won't suggest Greece! I'll see what stats exist. And OR is ill-regarded on wiki. And I'm off on vacation shortly. If you find any, then I'm interested. - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 16:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I haven't another example. The point (diminutive) needs to be made. While Norway is not a perfect example, it does illustrate the point. - and Bernard Share's book uses Norway as the example - ClemMcGann (talk) 06:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Editorial notes...

I've reorganized the opening and shortened the quote: in light of the numbers given in the paragraph immediately before it "most of which has been sunk" does NOT make a good impression. Cheers, Shir-El too 18:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

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