Talk:International organization

"International organization" not the same as "Intergovernmental organization"

Was a REDIRECT to Talk:Intergovernmental organization, but they are separate articles. 121.45.74.24 (talk) 10:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The European Union IS NOT an IGO... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.8.194.5 (talk) 16:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe that this needs more clarification on this page. This page seems to conflate the two terms. An intergovernmental organization is a type of international organization, but not all international organizations are intergovernmental organizations. --Sarisal (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

IGOs are different than international agencies. IGOs are composed of member states with official government representatives who speak for their country. International organizations do not have the same type of representatives. They are typically private citizens and do not represent their countries on an official level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:4041:12D:6C00:31A2:707C:6C37:DFD5 (talk) 19:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

inter-parliamentary organizations

The non-governmental vs. governmental divide seems clear at first glance. Some special cases like sports associations, red cross associations, industry associations (like International Road Transport Union, etc.) can be "placed" in the NGO part of the spectrum (but they are "special", because their members have the "approval"/"accreditation" of national governments or are explicitly selected by national governments), OK.

International parliaments can be "placed" as supranational institutions - thus they are not "international" per se, OK.

But what about inter-parliamentary organizations? These are clearly inter-state, not NGO, and not supranational. But the states are "represented" by their parliaments (or individuals appointed by the parliaments) - instead of governments (or institutions appointed by the governments). Should we regard all "state" actions as "approved by the government" (e.g. how decides on a particular state membership in those organizations - the head-of-government - President/Prime Minister - or the national legislature?) or we should regard them as separate - as per "separation of powers: executive/government, judical, legislative". And if we separate the judical - maybe some international courts should be considered also as separate type of organization - separate from intergovernmental, but still international (e.g. inter-judical) - for example [1] the ICC is listed by the UN as "observer entity" and not as "observer intergovernmental organization". Alinor (talk) 08:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Unclear Text

I just removed the following content from the article. It need a thorough editing at the very least before it's ready for primetime.

However, UN as a symbol is composed of international organizations . Despite of politics as a completely separate category of concern, as there is no such appropriate international organization to coerce or act upon the stealthy political agenda only, that international organizations are characterized by the founding purpose on the organizational structure to be present and functional to serve, from the organizational nature for the inclusion of the activities covered by members that customarily and voluntarily accept to participate for meaningful accomplishments and well being for the general welfare, for more, see .

—Neil 02:25, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi my suggestion is about two sections : 1. International organization is different from international politics and for intergovernmental organizations there are many special considerations such as Taiwan, some former European colonies, Special Administrative Regions of People's Republic of China, Switzerland (tends to be neutral politically), Palestine, Vatican City, Sovereign Military Order of Malta (with no defined territory), and Kosovo. These more or less autonomous polities would have a chance to participate in international organization to a certain degree depending on the circumstances awaited. 2. International organizations often serve for specific purposes and always contribute to the better livelihood for human beings so the emphasis is on the nature and content of international organizations (and the formation of UN by many international organizations) not the politics between participating members in the international organizations. (111.248.242.165 (talk) 02:45, 12 February 2013 (UTC))

Oh, okay. Thanks for taking the time to explain!

1. You have a good point about the problem of deciding who can be a member of intergovernmental organizations. I think that the best place to add that point would be on the intergovernmental organization article, not this one. I checked that page and it doesn't include what you're talking about yet. However, I think first you should try to find a source that specifically supports what you said about Palestine, the Vatican City, Malta, and so on. Both of the papers you listed are good reliable sources, so you can definitely use them in Wikipedia. But I looked at them and I couldn't find anything specific about the problems of membership in either one (although I might have missed it).
2. I'm still not sure what you mean by this.

—Neil 03:08, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi politics is about power and in the western world it is always talking about balance of power, but politics is increasingly irrelevant in international organizations (IO) whether it is IGO or NGO because doing what is good for the IO is what makes IO contributive and sustaining and there are many defunct IO because too much politics between members in those IO, for example, the dispute between developing economies and developed economies on agricultural trade in the World Trade Organization. (111.248.242.165 (talk) 08:23, 12 February 2013 (UTC))

• Okay, I see. I think politics would be inherent in any large organization, particularly an organization of national governments. In which organizations are politics irrelevant? The World Trade Organization, as you say, is filled with politics but it's very much not defunct. Do you have sources for your claim? —Neil 17:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Split into two?

I wonder if this article should be split into two? ie:

- the existing page that covers the noun-phrase "international organization" (as in "x, the int. org") ie: dealing with actual entities or bodies;

- another page covering the verb-phrase "international organization" (as in "the study of int. org.") ie: the political science/theory term that covers int. org. aspects of international affairs, global governance, international integration, international law, etc. as covered by the Int. Studies Association IO Section.

Laplacemat (talk) 21:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Countrys' international membership

I'm trying to get a dataset with with all the countries in the world and their international membership, like for Egypt: African Union, Arab League and so on. Do we have something like that in wiki? something that I could extrapolate in a excel form of some kind Thank you in advance for your kind reply, If I'm off topic please can you redirect me? NBeduschi (talk) 13:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Cities hosting major intergovernmental international organizations

Including the Big 5 namely New York, Geneva, Vienna, Brussels and Paris should be noted and expanded in the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.116.182.20 (talk) 03:24, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

oldest to newest

How about a list for oldest IO's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.88.181 (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge Intergovernmental organization into International organization as synonyms; merge to the more common and broader term. Klbrain (talk) 09:36, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

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I propose to merge Intergovernmental organization into International organization. The latter is by far the more common and encompassing term. The existence of multiple articles on virtually the same topic is harmful to the construction of well-written and well-sourced articles because editor efforts are diluted across multiple articles. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

On the face of it from an IR perspective the two terms are not interchangeable but probably not deserving of different pages. Whatever utility this distinction might have had would be better provided in Non-state actor which looks like it needs a fair bit of TLC. BlurryOne (talk) 11:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Oppose Not an improvement. 2001:8003:9008:1301:F90F:F631:8B8C:345F (talk) 12:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Support this merge makes sense to me, they look so much the same. Catfurball (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Note to closer please do not close this discussion, the person who added the merger template forgot to add it to the other article. I have just added it to the other article today. Catfurball (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

The classifications are a bit muddled here. Perhaps International organization could become a disambiguation page, linking to:

• Intergovernmental organization
• International non-governmental organization
• Non-state actor

The material on International organization could be move to whichever of those pages best fit, with minimal text kept to aid the DAB. Klbrain (talk) 13:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

International organization is by far the most common term used for "Intergovernmental organizations" and is not immediately synonymous with "International non-governmental organization". In my view, it would be a mistake to make International organization as the disambiguation page while making "Intergovernmental organization" as the main page for the concept that IO refers to in 95% of cases. When scholars talk about NGOs and non-state actors, they don't say they are IOs. When scholars talk about international organizations, they don't distinguish between international organizations and intergovernmental organizations. Thenightaway (talk) 14:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Good points. Happy to change to support merge as initially proposed; that is, Intergovernmental organization into International organization due to overlap or duplication. Klbrain (talk) 05:40, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 09:36, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

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Unclear introduction

Is an organization a stable set of norms rules? I don't think so. CyberOne25 (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Political science

What is international organisation 2409:40E7:69:5010:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 06:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)