Talk:Insurgency in Kosovo (1995–1998)

Merger proposal

The "insurgency" to which this article refers was so low-intensity that it can hardly be called an insurgency at all. Thirty or forty people killed at most over a three-year period. More people are killed by gang violence in Chicago in a month. The real insurgency started in February 1998, which is when the Kosovo War began. Thus, I find that having an entire article dedicated to a few nationalist murders of police officers and grenade attacks is WP:UNDUE. There is no reason this shouldn't be redirected to Kosovo War#Background. A lot of the content (some of which is quite useful) can be copy-pasted to Kosovo War, as well as Kosovo Liberation Army#Background. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

The content that concerns the background to the war is roughly half of the Kosovo War article. Very long since the subject of the article is the war itself. However, most of it is unsourced content that can be replaced with sourced content from this article. I am not against the proposal. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:54, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Given that the content is as irrelevant as you explained it is, it would not belong in the lede on that page -- making this a deletion proposal, not a merger proposal. Additionally I think emphasizing this page's content on the background of Kosovo War strays deep into POV (i.e. what about the civil disobedience, what about all of Yugoslav rule, what about the other Yugoslav wars ...?). I can't support this in its current form at least.--Calthinus (talk) 19:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I didn't say the content was irrelevant. I said that it doesn't merit an article of its own. The 1996-98 insurgency certainly does merit inclusion in the lead, as is currently the case. Also, you're assuming that civil disobedience, Yugoslav rule and the other Yugoslav wars wouldn't be included. IMO, not mentioning how Albania's intelligence services helped the KLA would be POV. So would not mentioning the civil war in neighbouring Albania and how hundreds of thousands of automatic rifles ended up "mysteriously" falling into the hands of the Kosovars. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 19:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

^Yes this too plus the mobilization of the Albanian diaspora which started before 1998. But you have to acknowledge there is a trade off. If we delete this page, any info that doesn't make into the background of Kosovo War is gone from Wikipedia. At the same time the more, we include there, the more weight we give it relative to other factors as well. If you don't want to be forced into a trade off between keeping notable info and maintaining balance... then you keep this page.--Calthinus (talk) 22:48, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Calthinus. If content is moved from this article to Kosovo War, that should be content that is balanced enough. The rest can be deleted. This was my assumption when I placed my previous comment. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

We should move it to Kosovo War, keep the best bits and sources and delete the rest. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 10:26, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Only reliably sourced content would be moved to Kosovo War and Kosovo Liberation Army. But since most of the content does appear to be reliably sourced, that shouldn't be a problem. On second thought, maybe we should create an article called Background of the Kosovo War and link it under the Main article heading for the background sections of Kosovo War and Kosovo Liberation Army. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:38, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

So are we going to merge this to "Background" in Kosovo War or split it up into different parts? Because I understand a few parts would be removed from this article and just want to know, as I might merge when it's the go to. Of course unless someone already did. USAManager (talk) 13:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to see some consensus first before proceeding. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 01:11, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - The topic is enough notable for standalone article. Any eventual issue can be resolved without deletion or merging.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:37, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

What do you oppose? There is no proposal being currently discussed. The above discussion ended more than 6 months ago. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

The merge tag was still present on this article, that is why I !voted. I boldly removed the tag because there is no consensus for merge. Those who want discussion to continue, feel free to reinstate it.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:10, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

You did good. The proposal failed to achieve consensus. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Done donily doneoy. Alfred the Lesser (talk) 13:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I read a trusted source and these commanders were killed during insurgency in kosovo 1995-1996. Fantasticer (talk) 17:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Insurgency in Kosovo (1995–98)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Insurgency in Kosovo (1995–98)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "auto5":

• From Roman Empire: Potter (1999), p. 303.
• From Serbia and Montenegro: Ozerdem, Alpaslan (27 July 2003). "From a 'terrorist' group to a 'civil defence' corps: The 'transformation' of the Kosovo Liberation Army". International Peacekeeping. 10 (3): 79–101. doi:10.1080/13533310308559337 – via pureportal.coventry.ac.uk.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)