Talk:Indie Game Jam

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• Could some one please post links to coverage of each game jam?

• Michael Sweet, lead singer of Christian metal band Stryper contributed to Indie Game Jam? I'd make the correction myself but I do not know for absolute.  ;) Rabit 18:06, 2005 July 26 (UTC)

I could be wrong. But I'm quite sure that that's the wrong Robin Walker. This guy's at VALVe! Not british politics. Deathbagel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.122.160 (talk) 13:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

External links deletion ? no !

There's a banner saying "Please improve this article by removing excessive or inappropriate external links", ok maybe the list is a little too-long (this is my first visit on this article fyi), but when I search for "Game Jam" I need these links a lot ! There's nearly nothing about these events on the internet, only their own official websites contain informations and downloadable content, it's not like I could Google this easily.

If you delete the external links, please create a "Game Jam" wikipedia article with all the links inside, and add a wiki-link to the "Game Jam" article on this one ("Indie Game Jam").

ps : btw, anyone have some news about 2007/2008/2009 Indie Game Jam ?? --90.60.8.138 (talk) 23:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Resistance to improvements to this article

Can you give me an explanation for the reversion of these edits? They seem like pretty clear cut changes to me: developers is a more general term than programmers, the grammar and clarification of sentences is straightforward, moving references directly linked to participants as external links or additional reading is preferred wikipedia style, all the added tags are valid. If there is a specific objection, please edit that one area rather than wholescale reversion of valid edits. Kuguar03 (talk) 23:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Stop your edit warring. You remove valid and reliable references (and no it is not wikipedia's "prefered style" to put them as external links), add templates against consensus, notability IS established per deletion discussion, etc... If you don't want to have your "improvements" reverted, then make sure they are actually improvements and not pointy nonsense. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 23:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

What? The AfD is done with, trying to drag that into this discussion is not constructive. I'm not sure what a "templates against consensus" is but the ones I added are all valid AFAIK. If there's an issue than discuss, please. At this point I'm trying very hard to improve this article, so imagine my surprise when I come back to add references it's been reverted to this state. I'm trying to work with other editors here, simply reverting valid changes isn't helpful! It's hard to assume good faith when even the simplest of grammar fixes is being reverted. Kuguar03 (talk) 23:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

For example, none of the references show this event continuing past 2005, so why the objection to using the past tense. The sentence "The idea for the event came from Chris Hecker and Sean Barrett, who originally presented Dogma 2001 challenge for the 2001 Game Developers Conference (GDC) strived to create games without replying on technology." Doesn't seem to make any sense to me, if there's something wrong with changing it to "The idea for the event came from Chris Hecker and Sean Barrett, who originally presented Dogma 2001 challenge for the 2001 Game Developers Conference" than address that. The old lead sentence "The Indie Game Jam (IGJ) is an effort to rapidly prototype video game designs and inject new ideas into the game industry" is more of a general statement about game jams than this particular one. How is it "pointy nonsense" to make these fixes? Kuguar03 (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Another: why the redlinked technology-driven? Is anyone planning on writing an article with this title? What would be in that article? Did you even look at the changes before reverting? Kuguar03 (talk) 23:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Kuguar, I must point out the hypocrisy of condemning Headbomb for reverting your edits while you not only revert back, but ignore WP:BRD. There is no problem that you made these edits in the first place. But the fact that you felt so hard that your version was the correct version that you tried to force it to stay and then condemn reverting wars. All of the references were either for verifying information about the subject in a neutral way - which is protected in WP:V as long as it is not used in a way that would affect the image of the subject - or as a demonstration of notability. The requirement for independent sources is not one that prevents any use of a source that has a connection to the subject in some small way. The Rockstar Wives are connected to the purportedly abused employees of Rockstar San Diego are connected to the above-mentioned company; under your logic, we could not mention their criticisms, no matter where it is reported. Or if Nintendo commented on E3, we could not mention their comments, because they attend it. You are assuming that these editors for reliable sources are acting with an ulterior motive with no reason to believe it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

And I must reiterate that this is a mature discussion. We will not have any backbiting, snide remarks on other editors (not even looking into your blatantly uncivil personal attacks). - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Here are the changes it was too late for me to do yesterday:

• Regarding "programmers" in "12 new games were developed by 14 programmers" -- the two references say "[..] a group 14 designer-programmers did exactly that." and "they invited a dozen designer-programmer friends[..]"/"14 programmers had one weekend to design [..]" respectively. Changed both to "programmers and designers".
• Added "During the jam [..]" to the start of the above sentence.
• Corrected "Hecker" typo
• Added "Numerous well known indie developers and other game industry figures have participated, including Jonathan Blow, Doug Church, Chaim Gingold, Justin Hall, Chris Hecker, Austin Grossman, Marc LeBlanc, and Randy Smith."
• Added "The IGJ was considered an inspiration for later game jams including the Nordic Game Jam and the Global Game Jam."
• Added "Experimental Gameplay Workshop" wikilink.
• Correct "used Zack Simpson's Shadow Garden technology, which"
• Corrected all articles and misc about 3rd jam.

I did not contest these changes, I contested the removal of inline citations and several sentences/clauses. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

"moving references directly linked to participants as external links or additional reading is preferred wikipedia style" Preferred by which policy/guideline? WP:PRIMARY and WP:V -- "Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia" and "all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged be attributed to a reliable, published source in the form of an inline citation". Both policies are followed.

{{notability}} was established at AfD, which was closed a bit prematurely though, since Kuguar03 and I commented there and did not get a chance to reply. {{Third-party}} sources do exists, the given publishers are independent and reliable. And even if not, there is no policy against including primary sources. And there are no {{COI}} contributors. I am unsure if you are directing this at me (since I'm the only major contributor recently besides you), but I have nothing to do with IGJ personally.

WP:REDLINK does not forbid redlinks. "technology-driven" is one of several design drivers, such as "art-driven" or "story-driven" (Game_design#Overview lists some) You can remove it though if you think it will never see a redirect to a design article about this.

"[..] strived to create games without replying on technology" was a typo of "relying" and missing ", which" -- this refers to the Dogma challenge and is a distinction that the previous attempt focused on not relying on technology, while IGJ relies on technology heavily. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to mention, that in Germany since 1999 a so called gamejam is held. The Event was on DUSMANIA. You can view fotos here http://www.crew99.de/ger_archiv.html and a history here http://s197224398.online.de/d10/service.html (sorry for my english)! The Event was organised by Crew99. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heinz2001 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)