Talk:Independence Day (Philippines)

Will the real Independence Day stand up??

Let me see if I understand this correctly. The Philippines declared independence from Spain in 1898 only to become an American colony a few years later. In 1946, the Philippines achieved independence once again...........and is still its own country. Yet, the true independence day (from USA), is called "Friendship Day" instead. Why is this a lovely thing to the Pilipinos? Are they that eager to make America happy? I commend Filipinos for calling those (Filipinos) who fought against American occasdas dasdqweupation of their land freedom fighters much to the consternation of the US government. Why won't the gov't simply revert the Independence Day to what it was before? At least it was more accurate. FYI, I'm an American who votes Republican and is basically conservative. I see no contradiction between this and what I wrote.

Jlujan69 23:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The United States declared its independence on July 4, 1776, but Great Britain gave it to them on September 3, 1783. On other words, if we'll apply what you said, the U.S. would have to celebrate their Independence Day on September 3. (lol) --Howard the Duck 02:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Declaration of independence vs. the Malolos Republic

I've partially reverted this edit, which asserted that the Independence Day holiday commemorates Philippine Declaration of Independence of the Malolos Republic from Spain on June 12, 1898..

• The declaration of Independence was proclaimed in Cavite on 12 June, 1898.[1]
• A Dictatorial government was proclaimed on 18 June, 1898.[2]
• The Dictatorial Government was transformed into a Revolutionary government on 23 June 1898.[3][4]
• The Malolos Congress convened on 15 September, 1898.[5]
• The Malolos Congress ratified the declaration of independence on September 29, 1898.[6]
• The Malolos Constitution was ratified on November 29, 1898, signed into law on December 23, 1898, approved on January 20, 1899, sanctioned by President Emilio Aguinaldo on January 21, 1899 and promulgated on January 22, 1899.[7][8] (creating what is now termed the First Philippine Republic. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Re-reversion of edits by anon 121.54.2.91

I've reverted several edits by 121.54.2.91, and done a bit of rewording change here. This is the second time I've reverted at least some of this, but I'm still treating it as reversion of good-faith edits. I'll explain the reasons for my changes below:

1. In the text reading, "After the 1896 Philippine Revolution" I changed the word "After" to "Concluding" and did some rewording. It seems entirely reasonable to me to regard the proclamation of the declaration of independence as, at least as far as Aguinaldo and his forces were concerned, the conclusion of the revolution against Spainish rule.
2. In the assertion, "After the 1896 Philippine Revolution and 1898 Spanish-American War ...", I removed the mention of the Spanish-American War. The Declaration date was June 12, 1898. The Spanish-American War officially ended on December 10, 1898. the Declaration wasn proclaimed during the war, not after it.
3. Regarding whether President Macapagal's 1962 proclamation officially moved the general celebration date of Philippine Independence or simply declared a one-time holiday in 1962, the operative portion of the proclamation reads

"NOW, THEREFORE, I, DIOSDADO MACAPAGAL, President of the Philippines by virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 30 of the Revised Administrative Code, do hereby declare Tuesday, June 12, 1962, as a special public holiday throughout the Philippines in commemoration of our people's declaration of their inherent and inalienable right to freedom and independence."

This declares a one-time holiday. Accordingly, I have again reverted article assertions the contrary in order to reflect this. This is supported by cited sources. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Independence flagpole at the last sentence

What flagpole was this? The one at Rizal Park or Kawit? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 10:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Problems in Flag Day section

The Flag Day section currently has a sentence which reads as follows:

The current date of celebration of the flag day was, the 1990s until the early 2000s, from May 28 to June 12, after President Fidel V. Ramos issued Executive Order No. 179, stretching National Flag Day into an extended period, culminating in the celebration of Independence Day on June 12 itself.

I am unable to parse this, and do not understand what this sentence intends to say. Also, the word current in that sentence and the word recent in the sentence which follows appear to be problems re WP:DATED. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Philippine independence versus Independence Day (Philippines)

For years, Wikipedia has maintained a distinction between the Independence Day (Philippines) on one side and Philippine independence on the other. The former in Wikipedia referred to the official public holiday commemorating the proclamation of the Declaration on Independence in June 1898 and the latter referred to the when the Philippines became an internationally recognized independent state and therefore the latter redirected readers to History of the Philippines (1946–65)#Philippine independence. I think that this needs discussion so that we can reach a WP:Consensus. Since the distinction has lasted for several years -- and probably has been integrated into any number of articles via internal links -- I have reverted his changes. We need to reach a consensus before we make such a big change that will affect hundreds if not thousands of articles.

I think that we should keep the distinction. The "independence" in "Independence Day" refers to the declaration and its proclamation. It refers to the fact that on this date Philippine national sovereignty was asserted after many years of building a sense of national identity. However, actual independence did not happen until later, until 1946. Nobody argues that the Philippines WAS independent beginning in 1898. Philippine independence should refer to and point to actual independence. I think that that is the plain meaning of that phrase, the WP:Commonname if you will. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 10:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

A somewhat related discussion has begun at Talk:Philippines#Establishment. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

June 12, 1898 is the date accepted by both the Philippine government and the U.S. State Department. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 01:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, not. This is discussed in a bit more detail in comments at Talk:Philippines#Establishment. Sources offered so far in support of this assertion are weak, at best in the solidity of the support they provide. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Wtmitchell. I added my comments to the discussion at Talk:Philippines#Establishment. Given how many articles and internal links are involved, we should be consistent about what is meant by "Philippine independence" and what is meant by "Philippine Independence Day" and that consistency is helped by having one conversation, which seems to be at Talk:Philippines#Establishment. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 03:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Title Change

Hello! I was wondering to change the title from "Independence Day (Philippines)" to "National Philippine Independence Day" because it's a bit effective to say Independence Day (Philippines). — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdjectiveGuy (talk • contribs) 03:33, 7 April 2021 (UTC)