Talk:Indefinite leave to remain

ILR and EU travel

ILR does not entitle a person to travel to the Schengen states visa free. ILR is however a requirement for British citizens to travel there visa free, i.e. a person is only regarded as being "fully" British when he has ILR in the UK. Other types of British citizens may or may not require a visa. But a person from, let's say Congo, with ILR does not have the entitlement to travel to Schengen without a visa.

A person with ILR is not "'fully' British" per se. ILR is an immigration status that relates to the UK; it has no bearing on the holder's status in any other country (although some countries, most notably Switzerland — at least unless or until it joins the Schengen area — have different visa requirements for short-term visitors if they hold ILR in the UK). Ondewelle (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to add to the paragraph above, Switzerland has now joined the Schengen area and so no longer makes a distinction between those with indefinite leave to remain (ILR) in the UK and those without when it comes to visa requirements, in keeping with the other countries in the Schengen area.

But ILR is an immigration status. British citizens and those with the right of abode in the UK cannot have ILR because they do not require leave to enter the UK in any case. The status corresponding to ILR for EU/EEA citizens is "permanent residence" (i.e. signifying that they have no time limit on their stay under British immigration law): only with permanent residence can an EU/EEA citizen apply for naturalisation as a British citizen, and children born in the UK to EU/EEA citizens with permanent residence are British citizens at birth (as are children born in the UK to a person with ILR). [The provisions for permanent residence don't apply to Irish citizens, who may be considered to have, for practical purposes, a de facto right of abode in the UK (though this right is not absolute), nor does it apply to citizens of Malta or Cyprus with the right of abode in the UK (Malta and Cyprus being both Commonwealth and EU countries, and for whom the right is absolute).] Ondewelle (talk)

How absolutly contradictory & confusing ILR you can travel to the EU in the next sentence then says:

A person with ILR is not "'fully' British" per se. ILR is an immigration status that relates to the UK; it has no bearing on the holder's status in any other country (although some countries, most notably Switzerland — at least unless or until it joins the Schengen area — have different visa requirements for short-term visitors if they hold ILR in the UK). Ondewelle (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I have a Thai passport with UK indefinite leave status as I live in the UK. Can I holiday in Spain for a week without a visa? D 85.255.237.159 (talk) 17:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

How utterly confusing either you can travel on UK ILR or not? Why not make it clear! For example i am a UK citizen with a passport my wife is Indonesian she has ILR in the UK can she travel visa free with me on holiday in any of the European contries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.7.199.141 (talk) 11:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

No, she can 't. How is that confusing? 2A01:4B00:B20A:9E00:5CAC:73CA:C94B:CEC3 (talk) 02:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Loss of ILR

"ILR may be lost if a person leaves the United Kingdom and on return is given leave to enter other than for an indefinite period.[citation needed] This may be because, e.g., they mistakenly seek to enter as a visitor, or the immigration officer believes that they do not intend to reside in the United Kingdom.[citation needed]"

Quite frankly, this is rubbish. An entry stamp cannot revoke ILR. Curtailment of any existing leave must be approved by either a CIO or a HMI. --Nozzer71 (talk) 11:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

"This is not possible to revoke the ILR, unless you stay out of UK for more than 90 days after 1 year of getting ILR"

The above statement about 90 days is not true. ILR can only be revoked by court while preson is present or absent from United Kingdom, or if a person spends two constant years out of UK. ILR can also be revoked by secretary of state in case of conviction for certain crimes.

gkgk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.186.93 (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Countries to travel with ILR

United Arab Emirates (visa on arrival), Turkey (requires e-visa), Gibraltar, New Zealand (ETA Required), Japan (ETA Required), Singapore (ETA Required), Malaysia (ETA Required), Malta (visa on arrival), Uganda (visa on arrival), Kenya (visa on arrival), Zimbabwe (visa on arrival), Tanzania (visa on arrival), Bermuda (visa on arrival)

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