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For reference, or future use:

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Charts:

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Missing cert from France edit

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 20:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply


  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):  
    b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a. (reference section):  
    b. (citations to reliable sources):  
    c. (OR):  
    d. (copyvio and plagiarism):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a. (major aspects):  
    b. (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):  
    b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/fail:  

(Criteria marked   are unassessed)

This is a large article so will run into tomorrow, yet the review is much due! --K. Peake 20:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Infobox and lead edit

  • WP:OVERLINK of Jennifer Lopez under songwriters
  • Re-arrange the opening sentences, so the first one mentions it is simply "from her debut studio album, On the 6 (1999)", followed by writing/production and then add a sentence saying it was released as the album's lead single
  • "Jennifer Lopez, Fred Jerkins III," → "Lopez, Fred Jerkins III," and remove the refs since this is sourced in the body
  • ""If You Had My Love" is a midtempo pop and R&B song that also features" → "A midtempo pop and R&B song, it features"
  • Pipe Latin to Latin music
  • "Its lyrics revolve around" → "The lyrics revolve around"
  • Rather than having the quotes from critics here, please summarize what they praised overall so simply note something like how they praised the groove and production; nice summarization though for starters!
  • [3][4] are not needed here per above
  • "it generated instant attention" → "the song generated instant attention"
  • "It was also an international success," → "The song was an international success,"
  • "It also contributed to" → "This also contributed to"
  • ""If You Had My Love" has been described" → "the song has been described"
  • Mention this was by a few critics for the last part
  • "The song's accompanying music video (directed by Paul Hunter) features" → "The accompanying music video, directed by Paul Hunter, features"
  • Pipe voyeuristic to Voyeurism
  • Regarding the "push the envelope" quote, this is "pushed" instead in the body; please alter in whichever case it is not quoting the wording to match and re-word surrounding prose to accommodate
  • Wikilink as MTV Video Music Awards
  • Stylize as Billboard Music Awards
  • Add 2016 in brackets after the residency show

Background edit

  • Pipe Sony Music Entertainment to Sony Music
  • Wikilink pop music
  • "and "If the album" → "and it was thought, "If the album" or something similar to introduce this quote rather than simply "and"
  • "in New York City with engineers" → "in New York City (NYC) with engineers" per MOS:OVERLINK
  • Pipe mixed to Audio mixing (recorded music)
  • "in New York City, and subsequently" → "in NYC, and subsequently"
  • Pipe mastered to Mastering (audio)
  • "Lopez was almost finished recording" → "Lopez had almost finished recording"
  • The "Rooney believed" should have the ref invoked at the end per usage of quotes here
  • "and that it had already" → "and it had already"
  • "Jackson thought it had" → "Jackson thought the song had" and invoke the ref at the end of this sentence too

Composition edit

  • ""If You Had My Love" is a" → "Musically, "If You Had My Love" is a"
  • Remove pipe on pop
  • Pipe hip hop to Hip hop music
  • Per the tag, re-word the contributing part to something like Lopez also penning lyrics
  • Remove wikilinks on piano and guitar

Thanks for not quick failing. Fixed those requests. igordebraga ≠ 17:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Igordebraga There are some missed here - first of all you need to add a sentence specifying this was released as the album's lead single separately from the introduction to it as from the studio album, change the pop and r&b song description to using the prose I mentioned since it does not read right currently and remove the refs for the critical reception. Remove the song next to accompanying music video since this implies it accompanied the song, also remove the ref for Janet Jackson and Madonna. Outside of this, all is good! --K. Peake 18:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Retitle to Composition and lyrics
  • "her beau's affections."" → "her beau's affections"." on the audio sample text per MOS:QUOTE, plus there should be a comma before through
  • Where is the conversation part sourced specifically?
  • "and what I want," saying that" → "and what I want", saying that"

Critical reception edit

  • "down the Faith Evans pathway," but" → "down the Faith Evans pathway", but"
  • For "The Boy Is Mine" title, the comma should again not be in the quote
  • "with Lopez's public persona."" → "with Lopez's public persona"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • ""catchy," writing that it "showcases the singer's style well."" → ""catchy", writing that it "showcases the singer's style well"." per above
  • "Beth Johnson of Entertainment Weekly was" → "Johnson of Entertainment Weekly was"
  • PopCrush should be italicised
  • "interpolation of Michael Jackson's" → "interpolation of Jackson's" and add the release year
  • "But Jerome Joseph, also" → "However Jerome Joseph, also"
  • "suggesting that it has" → "suggesting it has"
  • Use "the" before Deseret News

Chart performance edit

  • Retitle to Commercial performance
  • Remove pipe on Billboard
  • "aid the marketing side."" → "aid the marketing side"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • "it also reached the top ten" → "the song also reached the top 10" per MOS:NUM
  • Use a comma for the % increase rather than brackets
  • "did so with her single," → "did so with her single"
  • Work Group should not be capitalized nor linked here
  • "remained in the top ten" → "remained in the top 10"
  • "Hot 100 Singles Sales and R&B Singles Sales" → "Hot 100 Singles Sales, and R&B Singles Sales"
  • "six on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and" → "six on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, and"
  • "ranked it as" → "ranked the song as"
  • "It became the first of Lopez's 17 top ten hits" → "The song became the first of Lopez's 17 top 10 hits"
  • The source says 372,000 copies, not 366,000
  • The source for NZ certification does not work; archive will not allow to change the chart issue and the current URL does not have them
    • Replaced.
  • "This does not happen all the time." part of the quote is not sourced, please replace with ... here until the end or source it
    • The video used to embedded in the page, now it isn't. Put the link at the end of the ref, is that good enough or is there a better way?

Music video edit

  • Img looks good!

Production edit

  • The "Jennifer Lopez online" part is not sourced; please add the ref here that does mention
  • "women and little girls."" → "women and little girls"." per MOS:QUOTE, also the ref should be re-invoked here
  • "while Sean Combs came up" → "while Combs came up"
  • Where is the term "Plunging" sourced?

Synopsis edit

Reception and impact edit

  • Remove wikilink on MTV
  • Mention the name of the Billboard reviewer and remove the link
  • Remove pipe on Vibe
  • Mention the BET reviewer by name
  • Pipe Nielsen Broadcast Data Systems to Broadcast Data Systems
  • Remove pipe on Billboard again
  • [6] should be invoked at the end of the Channel V review
  • "is under observation."" if this is not a full sentence, please move the punctuation outside of the quote and the ref needs to be re-invoked here
  • "it a naughty twist."" → "it a naughty twist"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Add a comma after Best Pop Video
  • Stylize as 1999 Billboard Music Video Awards and pipe to Billboard Music Awards
  • "Best Pop Clip and" → "Best Pop Clip, and"

Live performances edit

  • Img looks good!
  • "on June 26, 1999." → "on June 16, 1999." per the source
  • "Fashionable Female Artist" should not have a full-stop inside the award name
  • "find myself now."" → "find myself now"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Remove wikilink on Los Angeles Times
  • "in her wheelhouse," she" → "in her wheelhouse", Lopez"
  • "and intimate moment,"" → "and intimate moment","
  • "performed a striptease in which" → "performed a striptease, in which" and add the release year of "Girls"
  • Merge the last para with the above one and change New York City to simply NYC

Impact edit

  • Please replace the img with an alternate one or remove, as currently you are repeating the previous section text only with a different image
  • Mention the name of who wrote for Billboard and remove the link
  • Add the names of the writers for other publications too
  • "was something special."" → "was something special"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • Wikilink as Vanessa Williams
  • "that career crossover."" → "that career crossover"."
  • "defined by "If You Had My Love,"" → "defined by "If You Had My Love","
  • Invoke [42] at the end of the Chris Poppe sentence
  • Remove wikilink on Sony Music
  • Remove pipe on Complex
  • Pipe About.com to Dotdash Meredith
  • "with surging strings."" → "with surging strings"."
  • Remove wikilink on VH1
  • Ditto for Ricky Martin, Bustle and Rolling Stone
  • Digital Spy should not be italicised
  • "colourful personal life."" → "colourful personal life"."
  • "from his playlist" → "from his mixtape" and merge this with the above para
  • Remove or add a source for Melanie Martinez's usage

Track listing and formats edit

  • Good

Credits and personnel edit

  • Good

Charts edit

Weekly charts edit

Year-end charts edit

  • Should UK Airplay really be here when you already have Uk Singles Chart?

Decade-end charts edit

  • Good

Certifications edit

  • Good

Release history edit

References edit

  • Copyvio score looks worse than expected at 42.9%; cut down quoting from Idolator to fix this please
  • Since things may change, I will confirm the ref numbers are this revision
  • Remove the publisher from the Entertainment Weekly refs 3 and 97
  • Cite Digital Spy as the sole citation and publisher instead on refs 5 and 117
  • Remove the publisher from ref 7
  • Pipe Twenty-First Century Books to Lerner Publishing Group on ref 10
  • Remove the publisher from refs 15, 72, 74 and 80
  • Remove the publisher from refs 16 and 77
  • Remove the publisher from ref 17
  • Cite Mix 104.1 only on ref 18 and as publisher instead
  • Cite AllMusic as publisher instead on ref 21
  • Pipe Peer International to Ralph Peer on ref 22
  • Ref 23 should only cite BBC Music and do this as publisher
  • Cite MTV News only for publisher on refs 25, 26, 47, 70, 87 and 110
  • Remove the publisher from refs 27, 56, 68, 98 and 103, also re wikilinking for sources, if you are going to do this continuously either enforce this every time or not please
  • Remove the publisher from ref 30
  • Ref 31 should only cite DVD Talk and as publisher
  • For Sony Music, it should be wikilinked to itself apart from the Japan wiki since that is separate
  • Wikilink PopCrush on ref 35 and only cite this
  • Remove the publisher from ref 36
  • Remove the publisher from refs 39 and 96
  • Remove the publisher from ref 40
  • Ref 49 should only cite Canoe.com and as publisher instead
  • Refs 51 and 92 should only cite CNN and as publisher instead
  • Refs 53 and 54 need proper formatting, moving Billboard around and adding proper titles
  • Cite Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique as publisher instead on ref 64 and pipe to SNEP
  • Cite Recording Industry Association of New Zealand as publisher instead on ref 66
  • Cite International Federation of the Phonographic Industry as publisher instead on ref 67
  • Remove the publisher from ref 73
  • Ref 75 should only cite BET and as publisher instead
  • MOS:CAPS issues with ref 76
  • Remove the publisher from refs 79 and 118
  • Wikilink University of Illinois Press on ref 80
  • Remove the publisher from refs 81 and 116
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 85 and 124
  • Refs 86 and 102 should both cite Fuse and remove Fuse Networks
  • Ref 91 should only cite PR Newswire and as publisher
  • Ref 93 should only cite Netflix with the wikilink as publisher
  • Remove the publisher from ref 95
  • Refs 99 and 114 should only cite News.com.au and as publisher
  • Wikilink Gulf News and remove the publisher on ref 101
  • Remove or replace ref 107 per WP:RSPYOUTUBE
  • Remove the publisher from ref 108
  • Remove the publisher from ref 109
  • Remove the publisher from ref 111
  • Cite Radar Online as publisher on ref 112 and remove the other publisher
  • Remove the publisher from ref 113
  • Remove the publisher from ref 115
  • Ref 119 should only cite About.com and as publisher, piping to Dotdash Meredith
  • Remove or replace ref 120 since that is blacklisted on my server
  • Remove the current publisher from ref 121, making VH1 the publisher only
  • Fix citation issues with ref 139 please
  • Should Work Records be linked to Work Group on any of these refs?

Final comments and verdict edit

  •   On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this article is somewhat messy but congrats on fitting so much info in here! --K. Peake 18:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Kyle Peake: See if I missed anything (and given two articles I found to fix unsourced parts wound up added to the text, if I implemented them well). igordebraga ≠ 08:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Igordebraga: I have done some copyediting and looked through now – there is still some work for you to do, however. Please remove pipe on Billboard in the commercial peformance section; change "It became the first of Lopez's 17 top ten hits" → "The song became the first of Lopez's 17 top 10 hits"; pipe Nielsen Broadcast Data Systems to Broadcast Data Systems; re-invoke the ref at "is under observation"; add a comma after Best Pop Video; cite MTV News and CNN as publishers; and wikilink Gulf News. --K. Peake 15:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Done. Anything else? igordebraga ≠ 00:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Igordebraga: You still have not unlinked Billboard at the duplicate link in the sentence of commercial performance about their comments on Work Group's images and in the lead, the song title should be mentioned at the part about her promoting it with performance. --K. Peake 07:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Done (missed the one in the commercial section because I delinked one in critical reception). igordebraga ≠ 21:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • ✓ Pass now, a quicker response from me this time! --K. Peake 07:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
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