Talk:ISTJ

Type Descriptions

I just deleted the descriptions on all of these personality types. A lot of them were copyvios from different sources, several of them being from http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/ , where they may or may not have been copied from other locations. Nonetheless, the three theories of MBTI, Keirsey Temperaments, and Socionics are quite different and require different descriptions of types, functions, relations, and other concepts. Socionics especially differs from the other two. The three theories should all be expanded upon in Wikipedia, but it is impossible to do this while there is a conglomeration of these three theories and they are treated as one and the same. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 00:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Can we get a cite on the Maxim Gorky bit?--68.105.127.102 01:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

done [1]. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 03:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Article Material is Copied

The description under Keirsey Characteristics is directly copied from http://keirsey.com/personality/sjit.html and should be rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added 23:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The material now differs from what's at that link. ThreeOfCups (talk) 04:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Page Redirect

This page is a redirect from ISTJ. Yet all the other MBTI types are named according to the four-letter type rather than the description. For consistency, shouldn't this page be titled ISTJ? Ajwenger 01:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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Introverted Sensing Thinking Judging → ISTJ — I propose that the article be moved to conform with the titling style of all other articles in Category:MBTI types. All of these articles use the acronym forms, and, moreover, "ISTJ" currently redirects to this article, so it is free for the taking. —Severa (!!!) 10:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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Support As Ajwenger said, all the other MBTI types are named according to the four-letter type rather than the description. For consistency, this page should be titled ISTJ. =) Panzer V Panther 11:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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Cognitive functions

I made some wording changes to this section for clarity. I'm planning to make these same changes to the articles for the other types, unless anyone disagrees that this version is clearer. I look forward to your input. Thanks! ThreeOfCups (talk) 04:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Templates

I created templates for text that's the same across all 16 type articles to eliminate the hours of work it takes to update the same text 16 times. This is a recommended use for templates according to Wikipedia policy WM:TEMP.

To edit the templates:
1. Click the Edit link on the section of the article you want to change.
2. Select and copy the title of the template page (the text between the double braces).
3. Paste the copied text into the Wikipedia search box and press Go (not Search).
This will take you to the template. Make sure that the changes you make to the templates are appropriate for all 16 type articles! (INFJ, ESTP, etc.) ThreeOfCups (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Spelling of Extraversion

The MBTI, Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and related Jung Typology assessments use the original spelling, Extraversion, rather than the modern corruption, Extroversion. In this context, Extraversion is jargon and should be thus spelled. ThreeOfCups (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Logo and border color

For a discussion about the logo and border color, see Talk:Myers-Briggs Type Indicator#Remove or keep the fancy logos from the articles?. Please don't make a significant change to the logo or border color without discussing it there first. ThreeOfCups (talk) 19:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Gordon Brown

My finger slipped before I finished my edit summary. The text claimed that "some practitioners" have "speculated" that Brown is an ISTJ. The source does NOT support this claim. It says that it is the writer's "best guess". The writer is a political columnist. Heck, we might as well be adding his opinion on the remastered version of Sgt. Pepper to that article... - SummerPhD (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Gordon Brown texture like sun

Lays me down with my mind he runs

Throughout the night

No need to fight

Never a frown with Gordon Brown

Farrtj (talk) 21:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Uh, yeah. Do you have a point. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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Reduce to one article

The other recreational pseudo-psychology systems Socionics and Enneagram of Personality have only a single article. In the meantime it would be beneficial to remove the "list of notable persons of this personality type" seeing as the Myers–Briggs_Type_Indicator is make-believe. 104.228.101.152 (talk) 02:08, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. This would be way better as one page. Every permutation of MBTI type doesn't warrant it's own article. PrussianOwl (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I definitely support this as well. What is the best way to go about that? Do we just begin cutting to pare down the most important bits for each type article, and move the remainder to small subsections on the main Myers–Briggs_Type_Indicator page? Are there other suggestions on how to go about doing it in a careful, intentional way? Also, if that is done, what is to prevent people from continuing to try to expand those at a later point? There are many strong believers of MBTI who might think it worth expanding, considering that is likely what happened with the original creation of the 16 type articles Merlin of the Mountain (talk) 02:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Agree. This article is in-world promotion. --Ronz (talk) 18:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

The Engineer

I have heard it said that Introverted Sensate Thinking Judging Type is known as the Engineer. Does any one know a source for this? If so, it could go in the article. After all, there are names given in some of the other Myers-Briggs Type Indicator types, such as the Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging Type, which is known as the Mastermind. Vorbee (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)