Talk:Homelessness/Archive 2

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sleeping rough

I don't think "sleeping rough" is a British term for homelessness specifically. Sleeping rough can refer to any simple sleeping arrangement devoid of a bed. Bus stop (talk) 23:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

In the United States, we have a term called "roughing it" which is nearly identical, except there's usually an implication that it's temporary and being done for recreation (camping for example). Sometimes it is used as a euphemism for involuntary living conditions, but almost never applied to someone who is permanently homeless. There's probably a connection between the American and British terms. -- Atama頭 19:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

If the American equivalent to "rough sleeping" is "roughing it," then neither need to be mentioned, as these are simple colloquialisms, not actual terminology. Furthermore, 'roughing it' is largely an idiom for camping. -Stevertigo (w | t | e) 03:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Homelessness probably didn't begin in the Middle Ages

I'll betcha that Ancient Rome had her street people and homeless drifters... and so on and so forth all the way back to ancient Sumeria. Pretty common artifact of civilization. — Rickyrab | Talk 03:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll make another educated guess - that the homeless of ancient Rome were often either proletarii (members of the propertyless class) or freed slaves. — Rickyrab | Talk 04:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Mental Illness and Deinstitutionalization

I propose that the article mention the link between homelessness and the problems posed by the lack of accessible mental health care to the homeless, e.g. the fact that some homeless people are in need of long-term mental health care. Benkaplan42 (talk) 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Recent Edit (s)

People argue vociferously about the "cause" of homelessness. A conclusory determination without citation, in the very first sentence, is in violation of the most basic WP policies.   गीता Brother Can You Spare A Dime - Unsparingly correcting prejudicial edits 

There is no such thing as a "legal definition" of "street people" at least not in the non-relevant cited page.

Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 19:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

New Page Proposal

I posted at the Drawing Board just to be polite. Nobody has commented.

All the red links are there for a reason please do not perturb.

The citations will be put in you can help if you like please no heavy hands I am onto a real deficit in this page and have the skilss to bring it up to snuff. Thanks all for your patience.

Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 02:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The Homeless Guy

I would like that my blog on my homeless experiences be included within the references of this article. I have been in and around homelessness since 1982. I have been writing about homelessness since 2002. My blog has been the subject of numerable newspaper and magazine articles, from USAToday to Wired Magazine, Salon.com and the Utne Reader. I have been involved with government and homeless shelter agencies. I have been on the board of directors of the Campus for Human Development in Nashville. I have sat on the Mayor's Taskforce on Homelessness, and the Metro Homelessness Commission in Nashville Tn. I once created my own homeless street newspaper and was a member of the North American Street Newspaper Association.

I believe a link to my blog would be suitable for this article. My blog is http://thehomelessguy.blogspot.com Thanks. The Homeless Guy (talk) 00:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

After taking a look at the blog, I disagree with adding it to this article. It may be more appropriate to submit it to dmoz.org, which is currently linked to from this article. I see it's already linked from dmoz.org, which is linked to from this article. That's a far more appropriate location for linking it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

What's wrong with linking to it? Why the need for the intermediary? Maybe the intermediary will say no? Perhaps we need an article "Homeless Blogs?" but I am concerned that is too referential to the internet, a minor concern.Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 02:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Title

WP:ADJECTIVE says to use the noun form instead of the adjectival form, so this article should probably be renamed "homeless person" or "homeless people". I prefer the latter. Although WP:NAME says that the singular form is usually preferred, the plural form can be used when discussing classes of objects.

(there are other proposed alternatives such as "urban outdoorsman", but that wouldn't do for the main title) --Underpants 00:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The problem you run into there is that you are not citing references to surveys of the nature and status of the homeless population you are citing refs to more abstract treatments of the topic. It is really a distinguishable topic. Secondly, you would be writing about people in a way that might be derogatory inadvertantly but derogatory. Better to stick with discussion of the abstraction, homelessness, than to risk harming Living Persons. Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 02:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation page is protected but has terrible improper language tantamount to hate speech

It is really a shame that this issue has not been addressed a long long time ago.

BUM disambiguation lists it as a term for homeless person. Note that "coon" is not listed as a term for a person of some race, and for good reason. Prejudiced hate language should not be dignified on wikipedia.

"Chink" same problem.

It makes no difference that it is called a "derogatory term".

Here is from the Oxford English Dictionary:

slang (orig. and chiefly U.S.). 1. Thesaurus » Categories »

a. A lazy and dissolute person; an habitual loafer or tramp; = bummer n.3 See also quot. 1933. 1864 Gold Hill (Nevada) News 15 Apr. 5/1 The poli

Wikipedia is not censored. Coon and chink are both identified in their articles as derogatory terms for blacks and Asians, respectively. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Ref=homeless viewed as unobtrusive please weave into mainspace

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Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 23:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

== Total housing units == I don't think that a serious discussion on homelessness can be had without a discussion of a country's total housing units and commercial space. How many total housing units are there in the United States for example. My research using HUD documents suggests that there are as many as 400 million housing units in the United states - nearly 100 million more than the total population. This does not take into account commercial and industrial units.

 Can anyone verify these figures?  It would also be helpful to have the number of abandoned and unoccupied units by year by state.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.62.171.34 (talk) 03:07, 24 March 2011 (UTC) 

I would like to edit this

I am in a public policy class at Syracuse University. I am interested in editing this page as part of a project. I am open to any suggestions you have. I believe this article is a bit too long, it needs to be reorganized a little and some things should be deleted. I would also be interested in making a US public policy section. I have and am still doing research for this subject and look forward to making some changes. Again if there is anything you would like to see me change or if there is any help you can provide please let me know. I will change things tomorrow morning and would really appreciate it if you would ask me why i felt the need to place/delete/change/ect things before you hit that tempting delete button. This is for a grade. I have every intention of doing the page justice.

--HattieMichelle (talk) 03:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Sounds great. Might I suggest making individual changes (along with adding appropriate edit summaries) rather than making all your changes in one big edit? Also, remember that any new material should be appropriately sourced. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for that advice. I will most definitely do that. I do not want my stuff taken down every day. I actually went and found some of the sources that are already in use as well as more recent articles and reports that dispute information on here. --HattieMichelle (talk) 10:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

19th century section

hello, i'm only visiting here. found an article about homeless people in london in the mid 19th century. if it's not too long, pls put it in the 19th century section. see below. thanks, Maximilian 20:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Homeless people populated the London parks in summer. A letter to the editor of The Times from 1864 describes the “poor folks” as the “homeless and horseless” who “creep into the parks to get some sleep”. He demands tolerance: “Turning out these half-starved, naked wretches, when for a few hours they seek some rest, would be a most outrageous and wanton proceeding, and one, by the way, which would be illegal.”

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximilian Schönherr (talk • contribs) 20:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Picture of the 'homeless' guy in Amsterdam

The picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:La_otra_Europa_8_Amsterdam.JPG is NOT of a homeless guy. This is a guy I know through a mutual friend and he is not homeless! He lives in a communal squating building and he lives a chosen life outside 'the system' (his words). I think it's pretty insulting to put this pic up here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkruijff (talk • contribs) 14:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Hungary bans homelessness Wikinews resource

99.190.86.93 (talk) 04:07, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hungary. 99.109.124.130 (talk) 02:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

New HUD definition

http://hudhre.info/documents/HEARTH_HomelessDefinition_FinalRule.pdf

note important add ons19:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.165.85.100 (talk)

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SSI/SSDI Outreach, Access and Recovery Program

I would like to add this helpful information to the Social Supports section of this article.

SOAR is a national project funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Adminstration that is designed to increase access to SSI/SSDI for eligible adults who are homeless or at risk of becoming homelessness and have a mental illness and/or a co-occurring substance use disorder. Using a 3-pronged approach of Startegic Planning, Training, and Technical Assistance (TA), the SOAR TA Center coordinates this effort at the state and community level. (SOAR TA Website)SOAR@prainc.com

This could be beneficial for the people seeking long term housing, and some people don't even realize that they are eligible for these benefits.

Please give me feedback. Thanks, Californiagirl92311 (talk) 01:07, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

lifestyle choice

This article defines homelessness only as a kind of affliction, ignoring that it also can be a lifestyle choice. Some people choose to be homeless because they prefer to sleep outside —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.195.161 (talk) 04:35, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

• I second this. There are plenty of people who CHOOSE to be homeless and do not suffer from any of the classic problems that many homeless people deal with (mental illness, drug/alcohol addiction, unemployment, etc.). There is a growing movement of people that hold a job, have a social life, and do all the things that most typical non-homeless people do, but they choose to live out of their car or in a secluded, wilderness area as a way of saving money. I would like to add a small paragraph or so to this page detailing this. Any objections? Hsxeric (talk) 02:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Move request

Please see Talk:List_of_organizations_opposing_homelessness#Requested_move and share your thoughts.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 05:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Homelessness in Developing Countries

Hello! Homelessness on Wikipedia is a well developed page, but focuses on homelessness from western perspectives, facts and experiences. There are thorough articles about homelessness in Europe and America, but very few articles on non-western, less developed countries. For example, this page’s demographics on homelessness uses United State and Netherlands demographic data to represent homelessness at large. The quality of these articles is sufficient; however, I am proposing expanding Wikipedia’s information of homelessness as a global injustice, specifically in developing countries and regions. Due to the limited knowledge about each country, I believe that adding a new page about homelessness in developing countries will contribute to the conversation about homelessness and specialize the focus of the social injustice. It will present the severity of homelessness outside of westernized regions and introduce challenges, responses and opportunities specific to developing nations that can be linked to other Wikipedia pages.

Below is a developing list of references I would use to catalyze this new page.

1. Aptekar, Lewis. "Street children in the developing world: A review of their condition." Cross-Cultural Research 28.3 (1994): 195-224.

2. Hwang, Stephen W. "Homelessness and health." Canadian medical association Journal 164.2 (2001): 229-233.

3. Kellett, Peter, and Jeanne Moore. "Routes to home: homelessness and home-making in contrasting societies." Habitat International 27.1 (2003): 123-141.

4. Levinson, David, ed. Encyclopedia of homelessness. Vol. 1. Sage Sage Publications, 2004.

5. Patra, S., and K. Anand. "Homelessness: a hidden public health problem."Editorial Board 52.3 (2008): 164.

6. Speak, Suzanne. "Degrees of destitution: a typology of homelessness in developing countries." Housing studies 19.3 (2004): 465-482.

7. Speak, Suzanne, and Graham Tipple. "Perceptions, persecution and pity: the limitations of interventions for homelessness in developing countries."International journal of urban and regional research 30.1 (2006): 172-188.

8. Speak, Suzanne. "Relationship Between Children's Homelessness in Developing Countries and the Failure of Women's Rights Legislation." Housing, Theory and Society 22.3 (2005): 129-146.

9. Tipple, Graham, and Suzanne Speak. "Definitions of homelessness in developing countries." Habitat International 29.2 (2005): 337-352.

10. Tipple, Graham, and Suzanne Speak. The hidden millions: homelessness in developing countries. Routledge, 2009.

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Homelessness defined

I changed the definition of homelessness to reflect something of the consensus view defined by a number of governments or social organizations and included two cites. I specfically quoted Swedish and US government definitions, but this is not exhaustive and there may ources for the definition of the term and I hope perhaps others will edit or modify or add to this definition with other sources. The previous "definition" provided reflected a point of view as to why homelessness exists "because they cannot afford, pay for, or are otherwise unable to maintain...." (which presumes without citing that homeless people want or can not pay for some form of housing) Jasoncward (talk) 03:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)homeless is people that dont have enough money to survive econmically, so the secong best thing to do is live on the streets

I would simply like to comment that readers and contributors should be cautious about assuming that a begger or 'Bag-person' is actually homeless. This is often not the case. Each case (photo etc.) should be verified. 99.238.20.122 (talk) 13:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Homeless in Ireland

In Ireland the amount of homeless is increasing rapidly. This whilst most social housing in the inner city of Dublin is left empty and boarded up. Historically it was mostly drunks and addicts that ended up long term homeless. But since the house bubble burst https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble , http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/04/ireland-the-greatest-property-bust-of-all/ families got into trouble with the banks landing them on the street http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0920/729079-homelessness/ not able to pay off their debt. http://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-families-occupy-west-dublin-show-house-2366538-Oct2015/ The houses went down rapidly in price whilst the rent rose rapidly. This is not a natural market. A lot of money is spend to house a few people in expensive homes. For the same money one could do up all the existing but boarded up social housing. http://www.tuathhousing.ie/development/ [IMG]http://i65.tinypic.com/25ov4ls.jpg[/IMG] The official amount of homeless is not accurate and differs per article released. From 152 to over 5000 in Dublin. [IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/2qaphtd.jpg[/IMG] https://irelandafternama.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/the-growing-crisis-of-homelessness-in-dublin-and-its-causes/ Fact is that there are more and more 'volunteering organisations' helping the homeless by handing warm tea, bread, hot soup or small meals and second hand clothes. You have to be lucky to get a place to sleep in the many homeless units as it is a totally Irish tradition, a lottery. 4 times a day you have to ring the freephone at exactly that time on the dot. The lottery then slots at random. The first 50 callers are then alerted to their position in the que. It can take up to an hour before you get through to an operator who then makes a choice if you get a bed or sleeping bag or if you get to sleep in the nightcafe. The nightcafe is a big room with sleeping mats where the homeless can sleep for around 5 or 6 hours in the night. It is organised by Focus Ireland. They started the nightcafe after they were the focus of the news. http://www.herald.ie/news/new-night-cafe-opens-its-doors-for-citys-homeless-30927454.html. The existing MQI is taken over during the night by Focus now. It emerged that they were getting a large amount of money to house homeless but were mostly informing people on how to get housing and running their daycafe. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/focus-ireland-determined-to-increase-funding-to-help-cope-with-demand-for-homeless-services-1.15603 In the daycafe people can eat for around 1.60 per portion. A tea is 30 cents. Milk is 40 cents per 15 cl glass and a slice of cake is a euro.

Hi there, that is very interesting, but it needs a source for us to be able to put it in Wikipedia, are there any newspaper articles or books which can verify what you are saying? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the references, what exactly did you want to add in? If you put in a draft paragraph here (or in your sandbox) then we can discuss it before it goes in and people try to edit war over it. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 18:38, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I've only just seen this discussion. And oddly enough, I just created Homelessness in Ireland. Feel free to help expand. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 05:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Split the page

FYI I have informed wp:WikiProject Psychology, wp:WikiProject Home Living and wp:WikiProject Sociology of this ongoing discussion. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:13, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

46.130.57.175 (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Could this page to be split to parts because the page editing becomes so impossible, exceptionally in VisualEditor. VE uses much more memory for longer pages than raw wikitext editing. Raw editing in Wikipedia uses the HTML <textares> tag. VE uses the <contenteditable="true|false"> attribute and JavaScript. I think Wikipedia could disable VisualEditor in long pages (longer than 5,000–30,000 glyphs in a page) for slowers (< 512 MB RAM). For computers with low RAM, editing WP pages would be so impossible using WP; allowing only source code editing. I think VE would have able to editor one section.

Agreed. The page is too long. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 05:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I think, since the page is too long, I proposed to split pages to 2 or 3 parts (like “Homelessness Part 2”, “Homelessness part 3”, etc. 46.130.141.219 (talk) 16:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

That isn't how we split pages on Wikipedia. We move subjects into their own articles. See Wikipedia:Splitting for a guide. Rmhermen (talk) 18:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks 46.130.57.175 for bringing this to our attention. According to Page information the Page length (in bytes) currently is 150,437. I did not realize some editors had trouble editing it. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:51, 8 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me

• Support split I do not think there would be controversy in splitting this. Someone might split the content from "Housing" into a new article called "housing for homeless people", or the "healthcare" section into a new article called "healthcare for homeless people". I am sure that any editor who wished to be involved could come up with their own good ideas. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:17, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support split How about splitting the Homelessness_by_country section into its own article? Ottawahitech (talk) 22:07, 8 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
• Support split. I think User:Ottawahitech's idea is a good one to start with. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Incidents involving homeless people

I added a subsection to Public awareness which I named Incidents involving homeless people. However it appears that at least one editor here believes that it is "not really relevant to this page". Opinions? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:33, 8 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me

There are over a hundred million homeless people worldwide. Collating all of their activities on this page is not really helpful - it would be like adding a subsection "incidents involving British people" to United Kingdom and listing news articles involving British people there. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

@Absolutelypuremilk: How do you know how many homeless people there are around the world? Why do you think is it not helpful to create a list in this article pointing to incidents involving homeless people? Ottawahitech (talk) 19:36, 12 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me

An estimate of the number of homeless people is given in the article. If you want to create a list, how about creating Incidents involving homeless people? I am not sure that you will get very far however. There must be literally thousands of reported incidents involving homeless people, are you suggesting we list them all here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Absolutelypuremilk (talk • contribs) 06:11, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

For now, the section seems to be redundant per WP:TRIVIA, and I have to agree with Absolutelypuremilk it is unlikely to be encyclopedic. You could create a list, and then we could see if it would survive deletion per WP:NLIST etc. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:46, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

The legal definition of "homeless" varies from country to country, or among different entities or institutions in the same country or region

There is a "dubious" tag here in the lede. I don't think this statement is dubious. In some countries, families living in motels are classified as homeless. In some countries, living in a motel would not be considered being "homeless". In some countries, people "couch surfing" by staying with friends are classified as homeless. There are different definitions of what counts as homelessness from different institutions and sectors, even in the same region (e.g., a homeless advocacy organization's classification versus a government-run shelter's classification). OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 17:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

You are correct. There is nothing whatsoever "dubious" about this simple, straight-forward statement. It's a shame the tag lingered here pointlessly for several years. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:20, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Yanked

The following material, which I just removed from the article, is interesting but not very clearly related to homelessness, and I think constituted 'original research', in the context of this article. But it could perhaps go in an article on housing or building construction: "In many places, houses without electricity and plumbing, or without foundations, that would once have been legal are now banned as substandard." -- Communpedia Tribal (talk) 05:42, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Photographs used in this article

Hello friends, I was reading this article and started thinking about the pictures used. I feel as though they are editorialized to illicit a certain response. I am concerned they are not the neutral pictures that might be more appropriate here. I also want to make sure we are appropriately respecting the people in the pictures, as with other vulnerable populations. I am concerned with whether or not the people in the pictures knew their pictures were being taken and if they gave permission.

There are so many pictures in the article, which can be wonderful, but at what point are the pictures in excess? It may be appropriate to have additional pictures when explaining something or illustrating different aspects or historical perspective, but it seems as though there are a number of pictures that illustrate the same thing: a homeless person sleeping or living on the street. I don't want to have people being objectified for the sake of the article, which I feel would still be thorough without as many pictures and perhaps different pictures. Thoughts? Thank you for your conversation. Jackiekoerner (talk) 22:50, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

The whole article I think lacks insight; and the pictures are very stereotypical: many homeless people look completely normal, you wouldn't recognise them as homeless. -- Communpedia Tribal (talk) 06:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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Health inequities affecting homeless populations

PMID 29137869 is a recent, top-quality review that presents information about the health effects of exclusion on "homeless populations, individuals with substance use disorders, sex workers, and imprisoned individuals". The article is free to read, so please consider whether it could be useful to expand and source articles such as this one. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Merge Vagabond, Rogue, Tramp

See Talk:Vagrancy#Merge_from_Rogue_(and_Tramp?). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Urban and rural homelessness

Distinguish urban homelessness from the rural kind. In the urban case, homeless people are gravitated to urban areas for services which urban areas provide, because they are an attraction and thus have a social duty to provide services. Rural homelessness in contrast has a different form, where the homeless have to be more self-reliant. -Inowen (nlfte) 21:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Hong Kong

Proposing a section for homelessness in Hong Kong. Benjamin (talk) 07:15, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

homelessness in Canada

There is some excellent work happening in Canada specific to homeleness research and public policy and ending homelesness programs. I tried to start a page that referenced some of this work but the entry was 'blacklisted' I asked for some guidance on what this means but did not hear anything back from editors. We have solid evidence based work on a national level that would greatly enhance the wiki section on homlessness - especially in the north american context. Could someone provide some guidance on how to contribute? (Kmilaney (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC))

What was the title of the page you tried to start? -- œ^™ 20:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

- This page claims the homeless population in Canada is 300,000. But this other article claims that the number is 30,000. Is this a typo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population Grandma Roses (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Intro confusing statistic

"In 2015, the United States reported that there were 564,708 homeless people within its borders," This has to be the point-in-time (PIT) survey number. The context makes it sound like there are only 564,708 homeless in the United States, but this was only true as far as could be counted/estimated for one particular day. It really doesn't represent the "number of homeless people". A truer representation would be estimates of the total number of homeless over a period of a year, which was a bit over 1,400,000 people in 2017 according to https://www.hudexchange.info/resources/documents/2017-AHAR-Part-2.pdf. Just don't have time to edit it the moment, though. 162.247.134.110 (talk) 20:02, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Charities to help the homeless

Should this article have a section on charities to help the homeless? Vorbee (talk) 06:35, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Homeless defined (redux)- Please review/revise

Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) use the following: A homeless individual is defined in section 330(h)(4)(A) as "an individual who lacks housing (without regard to whether the individual is a member of a family), including an individual whose primary residence during the night is a supervised public or private facility (e.g., shelters) that provides temporary living accommodations, and an individual who is a resident in transitional housing." A homeless person is an individual without permanent housing who may live on the streets; stay in a shelter, mission, single room occupancy facilities, abandoned building or vehicle; or in any other unstable or non-permanent situation. [Section 330 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C., 254b)] An individual may be considered to be homeless if that person is "doubled up," a term that refers to a situation where individuals are unable to maintain their housing situation and are forced to stay with a series of friends and/or extended family members. In addition, previously homeless individuals who are to be released from a prison or a hospital may be considered homeless if they do not have a stable housing situation to which they can return. A recognition of the instability of an individual's living arrangements is critical to the definition of homelessness. (HRSA/Bureau of Primary Health Care, Program Assistance Letter 99-12, Health Care for the Homeless Principles of Practice) PER: http://www.nhchc.org/HCHFAQ.pdf

Refuges for homeless people

Perhaps portable shelters can be mentioned in this section ? See http://www.designboom.com/competition/shelter-in-a-cart/

Homelessness#Belgium

Can we add a small piece on Belgium ? Appearantly, from 1891 up untill 1993, not having enough money to buy a bread, and/or not having an identification permit on hand was illegal, and people that did not have these, could be confined to an institution, which was state-sponsored. These institutions were often farms, a bit like a kibbutzim, ... were they could also stay/sleep (accomodation was arranged for them, for example in places like Merksplas). Homeless people often did not have money or identification neither (especially as identification papers expire after a while and require a small sum to have it extended). As such, homeless people were often also "landlopers". After 1993, landlopers were referred to the street, which often worsened their situation considerably.

I feel it should be implemented as; all though the concept of being in violation to the law because of simply not having any money was absurd, the institutions did improve their situation and the measure could possibly be implemented again, in certain countries (which is why this history section would be useful).

References

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Proposed Edits

Hello! I am hoping to add more about gentrification, criminalization, public attitudes, health, and efforts to help the homeless. There are some interesting discussions about some public spaces designed to be anti-homeless, such as park benches with bars in the middle to prevent people from sleeping on them. I also wanted to look more into the medicalization of homelessness and how that intersects with policy, practices, and stigma surrounding homelessness. I also may want to expand more on Housing First, either on this page directly or on the Housing First Wikipedia page to include information about other counties and include a discussion on mental health. I have some sources I am planning on using listed on my talk page. Thank you! Heatherkong (talk) 01:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. I’d love to see more stuff on homelessness and policy and gentrification seems to be pivotal in the 21st century changes of approach. There seems to be a need to sweep it under the carpet. Not sure what you mean by the medicalisation of homelessness except that in the UK they closed down the old Victorian state mental hospitals and most of the long term residents ended up on the streets. They called it “care in the community”. Be good to learn what it means for real. Dakinijones (talk) 21:08, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Ending Homelessness

Whose problem is it to end homelessness? Is it the person without a home? Is it the government, or is it society? 552,830 was the number of homeless people in America on a given night in 2018 (The 2018 Annual Homeless Assessment Report to Congress, as cited in Bagley, 2018). Homelessness is an issue that is prevalent in America and worldwide, but through the collaboration of federal programs, and compassion of society, the number of the homeless can be reduced and eventually prevented. By identifying the homeless and the paths that lead to homelessness, understanding the negative effects for both the person and humankind, society can help reduce and eventually prevent homelessness through extensive programs that provide housing, life skills training, job skills, and encouragement before a person ever becomes homeless. Homelessness is defined as an individual or family that is without housing, or one whose principal dwelling is a shelter, or someone who is in transition according to the National Health Care of the Homeless Council (n.d).

By knowing who the homeless are, and understanding the circumstances that lead them to be unhoused, steps can be put in place to provide housing before the individual reaches a homeless state. The homeless may be the foster child aging out of the system, the teenage runaway escaping abuse at home, the mentally ill who lost their caregiver, the disabled veteran suffering post-traumatic syndrome disorder or the family that lost their home due to loss of employment. Providing housing for the homeless has positive effects for all. Quality of life is improved, self-confidence is raised, loitering rates are lowered, police costs and healthcare costs are reduced. However, it will involve society actively coming alongside federal programs to reduce and eventually end homelessness.

References: Bagley, N. (2018). The 2018 Annual Homeless Assessment Report to Congress. Retrieved from https://youthtoday.org/2018/12/the-2018-annual-homeless-assessment-report-to-congress/Carroll, A. B. (1979). What is the official definition of homelessness? (n.d.). Retrieved from https://www.nhchc.org/faq/official-definition-homelessness/ Fpc2018 (talk) 03:10, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Please note that this talk page or the article is not a forum for discussing how to end or mitigate homelessness. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:13, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Causes of homelessness

I feel like there should be more coverage on the causes of homelessness and what can be done to help them. The article is pretty neutral on most topics. Homelessness has many causes and there is various ways as to how people can help them get back on their feet. The sources are good and the ones I clicked on worked. Kelseyseko (talk) 01:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

In North America, I can guarantee that hard drugs (meth, crack, heroin) cause homelessness. Addicts spend all their rent money on drugs and end up on the streets. I'm not saying drugs are the only cause of homelessness but hard drugs are a huge factor in people living on the streets. There is no doubt that there is a direct link between drugs and homelessness in many cases. Joe Eggett (talk) 08:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Homeless to houseless

There are growing calls to change the terminology from homeless to houseless (). I understand this is not the widely used term, so would this be an inappropriate edit? Thanks.ClarenceTheCat (talk) 16:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Can you find some better media sources that show that this is the widespread term going forward? I don't really see it taking over yet. See WP:COMMONNAME AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@ClarenceTheCat: We don't go with terms preferred by homeless services industry vendors or advocacy groups like Do Good Multnomah. That source would not even pass WP:RS or WP:NPOV policy. It is an encyclopedia, not a political correctness mumbo jumbo. Graywalls (talk) 08:21, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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Reorganizing the By Country section

Hello, I really love the way that the Homelessness#Canada section is organized, where everything about Homelessness in Canada is in the Homelessness in Canada article, and there is just an excerpt here in the main Homelessness article. What do people think about doing this for all the other countries? Should we move country-specific stuff into the country-specific article, and then just have an excerpt here? Or maybe there is another way to show an automatically generated list of articles about homelessness in other countries that would be even more minimalist? Ruthgrace (talk) 23:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Primary sources

@Ruthgrace:, the contents on the article should be based primarily on secondary sources. Government reports, case studies and such are considered primary sources. Contents from advocacy or oppositional special interest groups and think tanks should not be used as they don't meet the reliable source or neutral point of view criteria. Newspaper article or journal authors can conduct their own research using these sources, however Wikipedia editor should not do their own original research using primary sources and cover what they think is "important" to include. The inclusion worthiness is generally established through coverage of such in mainstream, reliable media. Graywalls (talk) 23:34, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing event with several people in San Francisco

A friend organized an event w/ some people interested in homelessness in San Francisco and I am helping to mentor them in their first edits. Most of the edits today to this article and some related homelessness articles were done under my supervision and any concerns should be directed to me. Please don't bite the newbies. II | (t - c) 02:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

This kind of "organized" editing where editors are recruited to edit in certain way under the direction of someone should be avoided in general. Graywalls (talk) 23:36, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Came across this while trying to figure out why I got tagged elsewhere. (I am a former organiser at a homeless people's organisation, but I haven't edited relevant content pages in years, & I don't think I've ever edited this page.) Organised editing events are absolutely fine: WP:EDITATHON. I don't know anything about this particular event, who organised it, or what the edits were. It's certainly possible for an edit-a-thon to be run poorly (maybe this one was, maybe it wasn't: no idea), but the idea that they should be avoided is personal opinion that does not reflect general policy or widespread practice. Pathawi (talk) 16:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

for study purpose

I need a mind map fir this topic 2409:4041:D95:C77F:0:0:71C8:F908 (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Generalization

I feel this article focuses too much on United States issues on homelessness, especially in the assistance section. Perhaps we could fix this?

Also want to add, I reordered a lot of sections and consolidated some. Hopefully, the article reads in a less clunky matter. Let's get this article to Good status! :D

Jmaxx37 (talk) 06:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Clean up

I started on cleaning up. I feel that there's a lot that needs cleanup. unreliable sources, trivia, original research. It could use clean up effort from other editors too. Graywalls (talk) 01:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@Graywalls: Which of the sources cited in this article are unreliable? Jarble (talk) 12:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

For one, many primary sources like government reports cobbled together by editors, and self-published research like various homeless advocacy. At the minimum, using these sources slants the article towards certain POV. Graywalls (talk) 20:20, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Graywalls: I've started on reorganizing and relocating chunks of text. Eventually I will tackle citations but that's another task for another day. Jmaxx37 (talk) 03:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Causes: 4.3 Medical

I think that the paper (Shinn et al. 2007; Reference No. 54) cited in discussing disability being one of the causes of homelessness may not be a valid source given the issues with its methods and that this source did not find a statistically significant predictive relationship between disability and homelessness (Shinn et al. 2007 ). The sample used in this paper, as the authors themselves address in their limitations, was not randomly selected and somewhat too location-specific to be representative. Furthermore, including a group of variables that they think of as useful in a simple model like logistic regression and calling those with p < 0.05 the predictors of homelessness may not be a methodologically valid way to reach their conclusion. I do not doubt that there is some relationship between disability and homelessness; it's just that the studies/research cited should be updated.

Jil028 (talk) 05:45, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Global Statistics

The "Global Statistics" section may also use some updates. Although most of the sources cited in this section are from official sites (such as governmental websites), some of them are really out of date. The one for the EU is from 2004, and that for Canada is from 2007. At the very beginning of this section, there is a warning for different countries' definitions of homelessness. This might be a good point to add these definitions, so the reader could have more contexts when reading these statistics.

Jil028 (talk) 05:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Causes

Apart from expanding the section on internal immigration, I think it is worth researching to see if the increasing refugee crisis and potential failures of resettlement around the globe can also be a cause of homelessness.

Jil028 (talk) 06:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)