Talk:Hollywood, Portland, Oregon

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I just renamed this article from Hollywood, Portland, Oregon back to its original name, Hollywood District. Google test:

• Results 1 - 20 of about 19,400 English pages for "Hollywood District" -wikipedia +Oregon
• Results 1 - 20 of about 25,400 English pages for "Hollywood District" -wikipedia +Portland
• Results 1 - 9 of about 15 English pages for "Hollywood, Portland, Oregon" -wikipedia

--Serge 21:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I just renamed this article again back to its original name, Hollywood District, which is the name by which it is most commonly referenced (see above). There is no guideline that says the name should be something as odd, unprofessional and inconsistent with Wikipedia naming conventions at WP:NC, WP:NC(CN) and WP:D as Hollywood, Portland, Oregon. --Serge 22:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I know this could be considered a year late, but...its improper to do a Google search for "Hollywood, Portland, Oregon" as people don't use that phrase. "Hollywood, Portland, Oregon" is just for our disambiguation purposes and neighborhood naming conventions. That being said, given the use of "Hollywood District", I'm not saying the page needs to be moved. P.S. Is there a Hollywood District in Salem? I remember seeing a street sign for it in north Salem. Jason McHuff (talk) 15:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that a Google search on "Hollywood, Portland, Oregon" isn't a valid criterion for a page move. There is a Hollywood District in Salem, such as it is: http://www.oregonlink.com/then_and_now/hollywood_district.html It used to be more of a going concern, but urban renewal took care of that. Its not the name of one of the official neighborhoods in Salem, but is enough history there [1] that disambiguation of the Portland article might be in order, as there is probably enough material for a Hollywood District (Salem, Oregon) article. And I'm sure there are other places in the world known as "Hollywood District". It would probably be a good idea to bring this up at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Katr67 (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Hollywood District

• Hollywood was incorporated as a municipality in 1903. Among the town ordinances was one prohibiting the sale of liquor except by pharmacists and one outlawing the driving of cattle through the streets in herds of more than two hundred. In 1904, a new trolley car track running from Los Angeles to Hollywood up Prospect Avenue was opened. The system was called "the Hollywood Boulevard." It cut travel time to and from Los Angeles drastically.
• By 1910, because of an ongoing struggle to secure an adequate water supply, the townsmen voted for Hollywood to be annexed into the City of Los Angeles, as the water system of the growing city had opened the Los Angeles Aqueduct and was piping water down from the Owens River in the Owens Valley. Another reason for the vote was that Hollywood could have access to drainage through Los Angeles´ sewer system.
• With annexation, the name of Prospect Avenue was changed to Hollywood Boulevard and all the street numbers in the new district changed. For example, 100 Prospect Avenue, at Vermont Avenue, became 6400 Hollywood Boulevard; and 100 Cahuenga Boulevard, at Hollywood Boulevard, changed to 1700 Cahuenga Boulevard.
• The Hollywood District (originally Hollyrood, after the Scottish Holyrood) is a neighborhood of NE Portland, Oregon renamed for its historic 1920s era Hollywood Theatre.

I do, hereby, demand some reason, purpose, justification, logic, why this title should be assigned to some whatever in Oregon. I can justify why it should not be:

• It is not the oldest.
• It is not the most well known.

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article rename, again

I just moved the article from "Hollywood District" to "Hollywood District (Portland, Oregon)" to make way for disambiguation at Hollywood District. The Portland neighborhood does not appear to be clear wp:PRIMARYUSAGE for the title. I note that the Hollywood, Los Angeles, California wikipedia article describes the more famous Hollywood as a "district", and there are several wikipedia-notable Hollywood historic districts now covered in the dab page.

About the name for this Portland neighborhood, i am indifferent whether it should be kept with parenthetical disambiguation or moved back to previous name "Hollywood District, Portland, Oregon". There is an RFC discussion about which of these neighborhood naming formats is best, going on now at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)/Archives/2009/October#RfC: Article titles for US neighbourhoods. doncram (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 25 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Hollywood, Portland, Oregon. (closed by non-admin page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

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• Hollywood District → Hollywood District (Portland, Oregon)
• Hollywood District (disambiguation) → Hollywood District

– This article has bounced between titles before, but does not seem to have had a formal WP:RM discussion. As noted in one of the previous discussions, Hollywood, Los Angeles, is described in some sources as a "District", and there are also others on the disambiguation page. I do not believe that throwing an ambiguous term like "District" after an already-ambiguous place name is sufficient disambiguation. Note that most incoming links already redirect through the proposed title. BD2412 T 03:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 20:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 04:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. MB 14:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: Shouldn't it be "neighborhood" instead of "district"? And shouldn't it use lowercase? AFAICT, the cited sources call it a neighborhood, not a district. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
  • @BarrelProof: My concern is that this is not the primary topic of the term. I have no objection an alternative final title for the current occupier of the title. BD2412 T 03:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: If so, it should be moved to a comma-separated disambiguation title like Hollywood District, Portland, Oregon, like all the other articles in Category:Neighborhoods in Portland, Oregon, and most other geographic names. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:14, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
  • After looking at Category:Neighborhoods in Portland, Oregon, perhaps it should just be Hollywood, Portland, Oregon. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Yes, Hollywood, Portland, Oregon seems to be the title most consistent with others in the set. BD2412 T 21:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Hollywood (Portland, Oregon). I don’t see much support in RS usage for Hollywood District, Portland, Oregon or Hollywood, Portland, Oregon as natural disambiguation and dismiss consistency arguments based on other Portland neighborhoods titles per that format to exemplify WP:OTHERSTUFF that’s misleading. Parenthetic disambiguation is appropriate here. —В²C ☎ 07:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I would also be good with, or even prefer, Hollywood (Portland), per WP:CONCISE. There is no Hollywood in any other Portland so the ", Oregon" is unnecessary disambiguation. All the other neighborhoods of Portland named ''name'', Portland, Oregon should be moved to ''name'' (Portland) unless Portland, Maine has a neighborhood of the same name, in which case this one would be ''name'' (Portland, Oregon). --В²C ☎ 03:41, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Well Hollywood, Portland, Oregon doesn't appear to be natural disambiguation, isn't the "Portland, Oregon" just a qualifier saying where it is just like with Mercury (planet) saying what it is. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:54, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
• Relisting comment there appears to be consensus to do some move, but there is not consensus yet for the specific new title. Courtesy ping @Another Believer:. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 20:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
• This one's tough, but I'm voting for a move to Hollywood, Portland, Oregon. Sources use both "Hollywood" and "Hollywood District", sometimes interchangeably. The City of Portland has a page called "Hollywood" which refers to the "Hollywood District". The Hollywood Neighborhood Association refers to Hollywood throughout but uses a logo which says "Hollywood District". Portland Monthly has a guide to Hollywood. Editors could cherry pick sources to advocate for either title, really. However, in order to be most consistent with other Portland neighborhood articles and based on the aforementioned official sources, I think the page should be moved to Hollywood, Portland, Oregon, and I think the intro sentence should mention both (along the lines of "Hollywood, also known as the Hollywood District, is a neighborhood in...). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support Hollywood, Portland, Oregon since it doesn't seem like "District" is commonly used and it seems that title may be ambiguous with the place in LA so we probably don't need it if disambiguating with "Portland, Oregon" anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. There are five entries (plus two similar ones under "See also") listed upon the Hollywood District (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the significance throughout the English-speaking world of the district / neighborhood in Oregon's largest city is so overwhelming that it overshadows the combined renown of the other four (plus two) entries. As for the specific naming of this area of Portland, I would not oppose any alternatively proposed main title header, although my preference would be for the retention of "District" per nomination and per street sign, as depicted in the infobox. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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