Talk:Hittite language/Archive 1

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It appears to me that this article and a linked article are in dissagreement or atleast coexist disharmoniously. I suggest that someone edit the two articles expecially as regards eytemology and the naming of the Anatolian Hittites. (Jimsim 14:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC))

what inscriptions are availiable in Hittite? is there a link/photo?

i'm going to go ahead and add the native name as seen in the commented out text, and a link. i'm going to change that 8 million in the table to "extinct", too - Dysfunktion 16:43, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think it's best if editors refrain from comparing Hittite to other Indo-European languages (Sanskrit, Ancient Greek) using terms such as "simple" and "complicated." This is not an accurate description of the reasons for differences between these daughter languages. Further, the comparison of languages such as Tocharian and Lithuanian to Hittite is redundant. Neither of these languages is found in a written form at a comparable date to Hittite (the same is also true of Sanskrit and Greek [Linear B excepted, but the texts are mostly inventories and do not show the range of inflectional forms found in Homeric Greek for example] although evidence of preservation of significantly older oral forms of these languages in the earliest written sources [vedas, Homer] has been suggested). Indo-European linguistics is a theoretical study and its practitioners are the first to admit this. It seems to me that it would be wiser (in this arena) to present what is KNOWN about the Hittite language, rather than what is theorized (AABell 12:03, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC))

In a possibly related point, to a non-linguist the statement that the language "lacks several features common to other old Indo-European languages" is fairly meaningless if you don't go on to explain what it lacks that the others have. --OpenToppedBus 08:30, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

sure, "to be expanded". "lack" may mean either lost or not yet developed (Indo-Hittite). examples are the s-Aorist (or indeed most verbal categories) and the feminine gender. dab (ᛏ) 10:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

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It should be mentioned that this language is the only known Indo-European language that was agglutinative. -213.39.205.217 21:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

where did you get that idea? dab (ᛏ) 22:14, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Contradiction with Hittites

This sentence: The later languages Lycian and Lydian are also attested in Hittite territory. Lycian is a descendant of Luwian. Lydian, on the other hand, is quite distinct and cannot be a descendant of either Hittite or Luwian contradicts a similar sentence in the Hittites article. It says that The later Lydian language appears to be directly descended from Hittite. I am not sufficiently familiar with this language family to resolve the confliction.--WilliamThweatt 06:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The theory is that Lydian is decended from Hittite and Lycian from Luwian I believe. Enlil Ninlil 07:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Unclear sentence

In the section entitled "Diffusion of Satem features in Indo-European", it says "Sturtevant... was the first scholar to note the lack of u after k representing earlier IE palatal *k or *g." I don't understand what this is saying (and I'm a linguist). Does it mean that there was an IE palatal *k (or *c in IPA) and/or *g (or *ɟ in IPA), and that the Hittite reflexes of these were written with k (or the hieroglyphic equivalent!), but didn't appear before u? That's what it seems to be saying, but it seems improbable. If not, what is it saying? Mcswell (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

If you read "labiovelar" for "palatal" *k and *g it makes more sense: since the satem languages are distinguished from the kentum ones by PIE *kw and *gw falling together with PIE *k and *g, it would make sense that Hittite would show no <ku> for PIE *kw if it were a satem language or had adopted satem features. But that, I believe, is factually incorrect? It seems, the person who wrote this sentence had their facts wrong as well as their terminology. --85.178.213.63 (talk) 07:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Images

I'd like some images of real Hittite texts. --Error 21:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Font

Could someone post a link on the page to a Hittite font? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

This might be it. http://flaez.ch/freeidg.html, and you can test it here http://homepage.mac.com/thgewecke/hittite.html. ALTON .ıl 05:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Turkic words in Hittite language?

Text: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/hitol-1-X.html

I recently discovered that hittite word AN-NA means mother and AT-TA father. In most of the turkic languages ANA is one of the words that used to describe mother, alongside with such words as APA, ÄYE, ÄŽE & ŞEŞE. And words meaning father/grandfather are ATA, ATTA, ABA, BABA, ABO, AKA, ÄKE. I also found that Hittite word for "DO, MAKE, MADE" will be IYA. In Kazakh language (of Kypchak group) word ISTEYDI means "Have done", ISTEYSIN - "You doing", IS - "Work, Function". I also should mention that ATTA is a Gothic word for father. I was somewhat surprised to see such words in Hittite language, I always thought that it's purely indo-european with some influences from neighbouring peoples.

Hittite word for "fight, win, fought" - HULLA, Turkish equivalent - KAVGA (fight), Kazakh - KAĞU, QIRATU (fight), AYQASU (to fight). Hittite for "king, ruler" - LUGAL, Turkish - CETVEL, Kazakh - ǓLQ. Hittite for "alive" - HUSWANT, Turkish - HASSAS, HAYATTA, SAĞ, Kazakh - QZǓ. Hittite for "who" - KUI, Turkish - KİM, Kazakh - KIM.

I also found that Hittite Stormgod is called DIŠKUR, this name somewhat resemble Kazakh word for "hiss" - ISQRU, ISQRIQ.

Hittite language, like Turkic languages lacks gender and it is also an agglutinative like all altaic languages. It makes this language closer to modern turkic languages THOUGH it can't be classified as turkic because most words in this language aren't turkic. I think that words of obviously turkic nature (such as ANA & ATTA) could come from another turkic-influenced language such as Sumerian. Sumerian language, to my surprise had many turkic words and it could be the source for turkisms in Hittite language.

In order to avoid any confusion I shall show you some examples of turkisms in Sumerian language: YOL - road (yol - in tatar, žol - kazakh), YIL - year (yil - tatar, žıl - kazakh), DINGIR - God (Təŋri, Təŋiri - tatar & kazakh, Tenger, Tengri - other turkic), ABAME - elder (Appa - balqar), KYZ - girl (Qız - kazakh), UD - fire (Ot - balqar & kazakh, ateş - turkish), CHAR - circle (Çark - turkish, çarx - balqar, doŋğalaq - kazakh) KAN - blood (Kan - balqar, qan - kazakh).

But lets leave Sumerian for appropriate article. I think that further research is needed to see the full picture. But there is no doubt that these two languages, indo-european Hittite & semitic Sumerian were influenced by languages that are known nowadays as turkic. Iliassh (talk)

Err... no. ناهد/(Nåhed) _speak! 06:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Well regardless of what I think about the above proposal, it clearly falls under original research so isn't appropriate for modification of the article.Ekwos (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Good God, not this stuff - ok, this is archived but .... got to post anyway. Sumerian has no relationship to Turkic whatsoever - the two peoples never even knew the other existed, separated by space and time. And turkic was no influence on the Hittites, either - WAY too early for any of that. Smacks forehead in frustration. HammerFilmFan (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)