Talk:Hethumids

Founded when?

We've got 2 dates for it, 1072 and 1226 (and 2 founders). The 1072 comes from Robinson, Francis; P. C. Hughes (1969). "Lampron: Castle of Armenian Cilicia". Anatolian Studies. British Institute at Ankara. 19: 183–207. doi:10.2307/3642624. JSTOR 3642624. That says:

" There is some discussion as to who, and how powerful, the first baron of Lampron was. Some historians consider that Oshin of Lampron was the same man as the general Aspietes whose exploits Anna Comnena both eulogises and condemns.8 Oshin we find in 1o97 taking advantage of the Turkish preoccupation with the advance of the First Crusade to make a daring sally out of the mountains and capture part of Adana, but as soon as Tancred appeared he lost heart and scuttled back to his fortress.9 Later he is mentioned with his brother Pazouni and the Roupenid Constantine as sending the Frankish generals all the provisions they needed.10 Aspietes, on the other hand, was grand enough to be created stratopedarch of all Cilicia by the Emperor Alexius in order to fend off the threat from Tancred in I Io8-9. His record was not good. He debauched himself in Mamistra for several months and fled as soon as fighting became imminent leaving the key castle of the Cilician Plain in Tancred's hands." Laurent has convincingly shown that it is both unlikely that the early career of Aspietes can be identified as that of Oshin and that we really do not know enough of the latter to speak with any certainty.12 Therefore, it seems more probable that the holders of Lampron had not gained the stature which Aspietes' command implies, but were still petty barons, happy to rely on the strength of their castle, and unlikely candidates for the control of all "

That doesn't back the claim the House was founded in 1072. Doug Weller talk 18:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Hethumid-Neghir

I noticed that this article doesn't include the Hethumid-Neghir rulers of Cilicia, who were decended from Hethum I's Nephews. Shouldn't they be added to the article? 2600:8801:141B:9900:E91B:A5FA:EFAE:6AF8 (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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