Talk:Harley-Davidson Super Glide

Added pictures from Wikimedia Commons

I added thumbnails to "Variations of the FX Super Glide" and to "Dyna" based on pictures I found in Wikimedia Commons.

I don't see (or can't recognize?) any FXR pictures there, though.

It would be appreciated if someone could find a '71 FX Super Glide or an '06 FXDI35 35th Anniversary Super Glide that is either in the public domain or under a share-alike license. That would be perfect for the top of the page. Respectfully, SamBlob 01:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The suggestion of adding the Wide Glide wiki to the Super Glide page would be like adding a Fatboy to the Softtail Duece page. They are both models of the same family (DYNA) but are different models.Jjohnson731 18:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The Super Glide is the origin of the bikes that use the Dyna platform. The title is used here because there is no collective term that will include the original FX bikes, the FXR bikes, and the FXD bikes, yet exclude the FX Softails. As the origin of the line, I figured the Super Glide would be the best fit for a catch-all title. Respectfully, SamBlob 00:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Difference between Fat Boy and Fat Bob?

I think there is some confusion between the Fat Boy and the Fat Bob classifications. It would be useful for me if someone could add some information about the distinction between these two.
For instance, Fat Boy is a Harley-Davidson registered trademark, but Fat Bob is an unregistered trademark.

Thanks. Bezenek (talk) 10:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

First of all, I moved this section to the bottom of the page because this is where new sections on talk pages go by convention. This is also where they go when they are started automatically by the "new section" tab at the top of the page. I have not altered any of your text beyond moving the whole section.

As far as I know, "Fat Bob" used to be the style of tank used on most Harleys using the Big Twin engine. While Sportsters usually used a single tank, the Big Twins had a pair of tanks connected by a cover at the top. This dates from early Harleys (before 1936) when the lubrication system was constant-loss and one of the tanks held gasoline while the other held oil.

Since 2007, though, the Fat Bob has been a model in the Dyna range.

The Fat Boy, however, has been a Softail model since its introduction in 1990.

I hope that helps. No signature (talk) 16:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Changed explanation for origin of "FX"

The former explanation was not cited and was different from the explanation of the model's designer himself, Willie G., as can be read in the reference.

SephyF (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution to the article and to the discussion of its improvement. I have moved this section to the bottom of the page, where new sections and discussions are supposed to be. I haven't altered your text; this may be verified by comparing this version to the previous version using the "View History" tab.

Although the statement you replaced appeared not to be cited, the citation at the end of the paragraph was for the whole paragraph. I have since copied that citation to the top part of the paragraph, which it still supports, and added another that supports the same material.

Thanks again! We look forward to your further contribution.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 00:27, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Any objection to moving this article to the new name, "Harley-Davidson Dyna?"

This article is linked to by the Harley-Davidson article as the "main article" for the Dyna family. It appears to be intended to describe all Dyna models. The Super Glide is only one of several Dyna models, so it isn't quite fair to call them all "Super Glides." There are a few that do fit this categorization:

• Dyna Super Glide (FXD)
• Dyna Super Glide Custom (FXDB)
• Dyna Super Glide Sport (FXDX)
• Dyna Super Glide T-Sport (FXDXT)

But there are many more Dynas that have much in common with these, and do not have "Super Glide" model names:

• Dyna Street Bob (FXDB)
• Dyna Fat Bob (FXDF)
• Dyna Low rider (FXDL)
• Dyna Convertible (FXDS-CONV)
• Screamin' Eagle Dyna (FXDSE, FXDSE2)
• Dyna Wide Glide (FXDWG)

Does anybody have any objections to such a move? OldMan (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Harley-Davidson Dyna is probably acceptable on as far as it goes, but Harley-Davidson FL seems like a better-named article. Wouldn't Harley-Davidson FX be a more consistent name? Grouping them by series -- W, X, FL, FX, G, K etc. provides the most structure, as far as I can tell. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The common thread is the Super Glide. It began the intermediate chassis in 1971 and went through the original FX chassis, the FXR, and different generations of the Dyna chassis.

The problem with calling the article "Harley-Davidson FX" is that it would have to include the FXST Softails that are already covered in Softail. While this could be handled the same way FLST Softails are in the FL article, I figured that starting from the original Super Glide would show the evolution of the line without including the Softails, which aren't really part of that line.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 00:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I think the current name is wrong if it covers most of the family. I prefer FX, although as pointed out this would need to mention Softails are excluded - but that's easily handled. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Another problem with centering on "FX" is that, as of the 2012 model year, not all Dynas or Super Glide derivatives are considered "FX" models: the 2012 "Dyna Switchback" has just become the first-ever, fat-front-end FL Dyna (termed the "FLD"). So:

• Not all Dynas are Super Glides
• Not all Dynas are FX'es
• The motor company DOES group their models together under the heading "Dyna" in all its marketing and its website, but NOT according to FX/FL/etc.
• Many purists consider the FXR to be "not a Dyna," but, unfortunately, the best home for it (until it gets its own article) is under a "History" heading in an article about Dynas. They no longer build the FXR, so it IS now historical, rather than a useful, current designation.

Consequently, I think "Harley-Davidson Dyna" is still the best heading, and think we should fix up the "History" section to pay proper respect to the pre-Dyna FX's, in preparation for the move.

Whatchathink?

OldMan (talk) 14:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I think I am more in favour of moving this article to "Harley-Davidson FX" than to "Harley-Davidson Dyna". As such, I will add information on the 2012 FLD Switchback to the FL article. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 00:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

In preparation of moving Harley-Davidson Super Glide to Harley-Davidson FX, I have mentioned the 2012 FLD Dyna Switchback in the Harley-Davidson FL article and have prepared a rudimentary draft for a FX article, which may be seen at User:SamBlob/Sandbox#Harley-Davidson FX. Any comments/questions/objections? Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

You are a two-wheeled wiki god --Biker Biker (talk) 01:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

SamBlob, I disagree with breaking down Harley model families by model letters. I understand this was a common practice in the past, but it is no longer done by the company themselves, nor such online resources as totalmotorcycle.com's database of motorcycles, nor by dealers, nor by the press that reviews its bikes. I think we'd better talk about it some more and get more participants to give feedback before either of us moves the article.

Please note that, for a few decades now, the company has been grouping its models by chassis-and-motor combinations. Softails can be both FLs and FXs, but they ALL have under-chassis suspension and counterbalanced ("B"-series) engines. Dynas can be both FLs and FXs, but they ALL have Dyna frames, dual coil-over rear shocks, and rubber-mounted engines. Touring models are all FLs, but not exclusively so: what they all have in common is the touring chassis and rubber-mounted engine.

We should follow what the press, the online databases, and THE COMPANY ITSELF says is the distinction. OldMan (talk) 14:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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