Talk:HTMS Chakri Naruebet

Move? (2005)

The title of this page is not in line with conventions for articles on ships; I propose a move to HTMS Chakri Nareubet. -- Stlemur 13:37, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Comments

I added many up-to-date information about this ship. Analayo 19:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

7 billion baht - source?

Could someone post a link to an article confirming the 7 billion baht budget? --Edward Sandstig 00:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Mistake in the name of the article

The name of the ship is Chakri Naruebet, not Nareubet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.218.78.101 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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Smallest Aircraft Carrier

The last line in the intro lists it as the smallest aircraft carrier in the world, but the 'Italian aircraft carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi (551)' is listed as being smaller by 2 meters. Is this correct then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.144.114.220 (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Displacement (eg, weight) is the normal measure of the size of a ship, and Giuseppe Garibaldi's displacement is about 2000 tons more than Chakri Naruebet. She's also about 10m wider than the Thai ship. Nick Dowling (talk) 23:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

SAM

This ship is equipped with a single 6-cel Sadral launcher in the aft deck. Why is the Wiki description list 3 x Mistral launchers?

pic: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/504/91131kc.jpg

-- Adeptitus (talk) 17:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I read somewhere that the ship is used as the personal cruise ship of the royal family (of thailand). Someone put this in please or il cry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.168.50 (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

V/STOL

What does V/STOL stand for? Accronyms, except for very common ones, shouldn't be used without first specifying what they stand for. For example one would write "Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ)" and then use EEZ, but not just use EEZ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 (talk) 13:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

When in this context, V/STOL is actually a fairly common one; and, also, nobody ever says "vertical or short take-off and landing carrier", only "V/STOL carrier" (or, even more colloquially, "Harrier carrier"). Having V/STOL wikilinked should be sufficent. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Bad armaments data

The article and the databox both list 0.50-inch machine guns as 13mm. As far as I know, there is no such beast. The Western pattern is typically the .50BMG (notated as 12.7mm) and the Soviet pattern is 12.8mm. Can anyone clarify, and perhaps link to the appropriate cartridge?--Thatnewguy (talk) 12:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

No idea which is right. Until someone finds out, I've stripped out the 'bad' conversion. -- saberwyn 21:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Image overload?

Do we really need six images of the aircraft carrier displayed in the article? Maybe in the future, but at the moment I'm concerned that the current size of the article doesn't justify so many, and may cause problems for people using smaller monitors. The timeframe of the photographs compounds the problem...while I could understand if it showed the ship at different points in her life, we have at the moment six photos from the same year (2001), five from the same day (3 April), and at least two from the same manoeuvre (Chakri Naruebet alongside Kitty Hawk).

What do other people think? -- saberwyn 08:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I'd suggest keeping the current infobox photo, one of the photos of her with USS Kitty Hawk and the stern view. Nick-D (talk) 08:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Television appearance

Is it worth noting that this aircraft carrier, along with her harriers, features on the Specsavers advert? DiverScout (talk) 17:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Probably not, unless reliable, independent sources indicate something very important with this advertising appearance. -- saberwyn 22:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Was unsure, with other articles including mentions of uses within media - and using a serving warship in an advert (even a pretty insignificant one) seems a rather odd thing to do. DiverScout (talk) 22:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

they do almost anything to grad atention. it's not that odd. 24.228.24.97 (talk) 21:10, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Info Box

It has been over a decade since the Thai Harriers last operated from the Chakri Naruebet, since she is still in active service but the Harriers are not should they be removed or at least footnoted in the info box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.216.139 (talk) 13:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The Matadors are still "on paper" operational, aren't they? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The lead section indicates that the while the ship can and has previously operated Matador aircraft, this capability is lacking at the moment because of the aircraft (and the body of the article goes into more detail). In addition, the infobox entry is meant to indicate what the design is capable of. There is a slim (although very unlikely) chance the Matadors could return to service, and until reliable published sources are made available claiming that the Navy has replaced the aircraft or turned around and said the ship is no longer V/STOL aircraft capable, I think the information should stay as is. -- saberwyn 21:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Interesting question would be if the Thai navy has any interest in Dave-B. Assuming it doesn't get cancelled, of course. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so: most of the stuff I've seen indicates that if/when something happens, they'll go down the helo route. -- saberwyn 23:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiLeaks

The page now contains a quote from a classified US diplomatic cable to an admiral in the Pacific fleet that had been published by wikileaks about Thai fixed wing carrier aviation. The information is reported as being sourced from wikileaks but can be turned into a quote if needed. Wikipedia considers wikileaks a reliable source if the information is obtained from a reliable source this being the Bradley Manning diplomatic cable dump. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#Wikileaks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.222.173 (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

What the page you linked to says is, The documents on Wikileaks are reliable primary sources for the fact that Wikileaks contains or says certain things, but not necessarily for any claims that the documents' contents are true, correct, unfabricated, actually happened, etc.. I.E. you can use Wikileaks as a primary source for information about Wikileaks, but that it is not to be assumed reliable for anything other than information about Wikileaks itself. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

The claim should be referenced by a reliable source that is third-party and independent. The IP's interpretation of the "policy" on the use of WikiLeaks is also erroneous; it says it is a reliable primary source only to claim that WikiLeaks has information (e.g. WikiLeaks released this information on their website... ref) and explicitely says it is not valid to reference other things as in (John killed Mike... ref WL) as is the case here. My personal preference would be to not include anything stolen by WikiLeaks but I guess it could be used if there is also other reliable sources backing the claim. But then there would be no point in using it. — CharlieEchoTango — 19:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Chakra Wiking

The swedes are now trying to sell thais a super-STOL modified Sea Gripen for this ship. Probably they will use thrust vectoring, because 180 meter deck is very little for STOBAR. Italy's 240 meter Cavour hull is OK for non-TW STOBAR, but even there, the deck needs to be full-flushed over the hull to satisfy. 91.82.36.49 (talk) 13:26, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

• If you have any published sources proving that Sweden is trying to sell Thailand these aircraft, it would be greatly appreciated. -- saberwyn 23:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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