Talk:HMS Calliope (1884)

Promotion to admiral

From the gazette records, it doesn't appear that Kane was promtoed rear-admiral until 1897, "No. 26924". The London Gazette. 31 December 1897. {{cite magazine}}: Check date values in: |date= (help), so I've deleted mention of this as it doesn't seem likely that this was as a result of his actions on Calliope. I've also separated out the two references from one footnote, as it seems much clearer that way. David Underdown (talk) 11:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I took the point from page 102 of this book. It does not specifically say that the promotion directly resulted from the incident, so I have modified the text to make a general statement. The book would be useful for an article on Kane, should anyone wish to add it. Kablammo (talk) 13:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

That's better. The book does seem to overstate things somewhat, also saying he was knighted - he was but not until after his retirement in 1911, and you note elsewhere the fact that the book says the Calliope was barque rigged whilst photos appear ship-rigged. On a tangent, I see you seem to prefer combining notes, whereas the more common approach seems to be to list separate sources each in their own note. I did split one such compound note earlier, but perhaps a decision should be made on a conistent style. David Underdown (talk) 15:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing formats are a matter of personal preference, and there is no preferred one. I have put sources and footnotes in separate sections, which works well for footnotes with text, as here. It also is better for specific page cites; the practice of multiple uses of a footnote for a single source, when that source may be hundreds of pages long, makes it much more difficult to fact-check the text against the reference. And finally, it avoids having a string of numbers for multiple footnotes after a proposition. If it is felt that separate footnotes after each clause is clearer, rather than end-of-sentence citations (as present fn 29), I have no strong objection, but I dislike strings of footnotes for the same proposition.

Thank you for your help on this article. Kablammo (talk) 23:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed the statement "His career prospered as well;" from the article, regarding Kane. He spent an average length of time as a Captain before promotion to Flag Rank (15 years), but for five months before his promotion to Rear-Admiral he was unemployed, and he never held another appointment before retiring in 1899. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 17:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Simon, thank you. I will be adding some text on commendation from some sort from the Admiralty (I do not have it with me). Was command of Victory viewed as an honour? I had assumed it was. Kablammo (talk) 17:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Being in command of Victory meant that he was Flag Captain (essentially Chief of Staff) to the Commander-in-Chief, Portsmouth, in this case, Lord Clanwilliam). It wasn't a seagoing command. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 17:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I had assumed it was an honour. Cf. Henry Coey Kane (uncited, unfortunately). It seems that the Rousmaniere book (link in my first paragraph above) may have overstated things, as David Underdown mentioned above. (The book is more a popular history than a scholarly work.) I have since come across a couple of obits, and if they fit in here (as opposed to the separate article on Kane) I may include them. But no characterization is really needed-- his actions speak for themselves. Thanks again. Kablammo (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Wheel

The article mentions that Calliope's wheel was given to Samoa. According to this site, it now resides in the National Maritime Museum, New Zealand. The claim appears to be authentic (and shows a picture of a single wheel, whereas a contemporaneous photograph shows a doubled wheel) but the website likely would not meet the requirements of a reliable source, and the Museum's website is scanty on the contents of its collections. If anyone can confirm this with a reliable source it would be appreciated; a PD-photograph from a Wikipedian in Auckland would also be useful. Kablammo (talk) 13:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The first link is blocked as compromised; here is an archived version: Wheel From HMS Calliope.jpg. Kablammo (talk) 19:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

The Maritime Museum has confirmed that they do in fact have the wheel shown in the photograph linked above; it is on loan from the Auckland Museum. As shown in that photo, it is a single wheel, whereas the photograph shows a double one. There is also published mention of a wheel at Apia. Whether it is the other half, or whether the Samoa wheel is the one in New Zealand, is unclear. Kablammo (talk) 15:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

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