Talk:Gleaning

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I'm going to add in the modern times section that gleaning is not the same as dumpster diving because dumpster diving is mentioned in the "see also" section (which I think is appropriate) and while it is related I think it should be clarified that they are not the same. Drworm921 (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the reference to Jesus and his disciples gleaning. What they were doing is picking standing heads of grains, which was only allowed under Mosaic law if you didn't bring a basket,ie just a snack. The point of gleaning was to collect lots of grain. [stargate70]

rather silly article. what about gleaning in the Mahabharata? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.43.195.27 (talk) 23:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Biblical References and Advocacy

Violation of NPOV, and irrelevant to gleaning as an activity. Deleted all.

Extra information could be added on supermarket bin raids and countermeasures.

Inserted Christian gleaning programme as 'See Also' link. --TresRoque 00:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Restoration of biblical references - explanation provided

The bible and Mishnah are viewed by many (though not all) secular scholars as a legitimate supplement to archelogical findings when trying to support claims about Jewish culture in the ancient world. As such they are appropriate citation sources. Egfrank 20:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Links confirming that gleaning was punished

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• [3]Xx236 (talk) 14:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

There are also sources saying that gleaning was allowed. But there was no law in the SU, some people or some kolkhoses were probably allowed, some other were imprisoned or killed. Any food was robbed by the state during the big hunger, i.e. the one gleaned too. Xx236 (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

None of above are RS - Memoirs and at least a "Posev" - "funny" sourceJo0doe (talk) 17

39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• While noone of source claim about Gleaning practice allowed in USSR before 1932

You still does not provide a link to source which claimed about existance of specifically Gleaning '-'is the act of collecting leftover crops from farmers' fields after they have been commercially harvested or on fields where it is not economically profitable to harvest. at USSR.

Moreover you have not provide a ref about that specifically Gleaning was punished under Soviet Law "7/8". I hope you will be able to find such sources soon. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 17:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[4] - the third eyewitness account.Xx236 (talk) 12:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC) [5] Пензенский областной суд confirms the practice.Xx236 (talk) 12:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC) [6]Xx236 (talk) 13:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

None of above as RS (no scholars, no Gleaning, No Law 7/8 for Gleaning). Where Practice of Gleaning (as described in article) appeared at all above and in USSR specifically.Thank you, awaiting for RS for mentioned in article. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Eyewitness accounts and a regional Russian court site aren't allegedly reliable. Are you looking for the truth or whitewashing Soviet genocidal system?Xx236 (talk) 08:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Can't found accounts for Gleaning in USSR, not about specifically andthixwillendthiz discusion preciselly mentioned Gleaning in 7/8 Law. Regional Russian court which was created in 1937 passed through comments (again no Gleaning) over 1932 Legal act- hardly a RS. I'm looking for RS source(s) which claimed what Gleaning ( the act of collecting leftover crops from farmers' fields after they have been commercially harvested or on fields where it is not economically profitable to harvest) was existed or at least allowed before 7/8 Law and later specifically punished through it Law. Please be pricise in facts. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 08:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Your question is a Western one. There was no law in Communist countries. Only party members had some rights, until they were removed from the party. Xx236 (talk) 10:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

So you quit attempt to find a RS about existing of gleaning in USSR and mentioned such in 7/8 Law?Jo0doe (talk) 17:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

see http://www.indiana.edu/~workshop/colloquia/papers/gardner_paper2.pdf

"There were many offenses leading to arrest. In the Soviet system, with its presumption of guilt, arrest was tantamount to sentencing. In particular, workplace offenses (such as being late for work by at least 15 minutes) were criminal offenses. If the workplace was a collective or state farm, then unauthorized gleaning of crops was again a criminal offense. Picking up a kilogram of potatoes could get you a 20-sentence to Siberia."

from Repression Cycles in the USSR: Mass Operations and Dictatorial Dynamics by Roy Gardner Indiana University and EERC June 2006

I trust this will end this discussion of this HOLODOMOR related subject Bobanni (talk) 09:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

• Again Volhynia? Thank you for WP:SPS opinion of author - look like he need to visit a WP to be familiar with the Fact what 7/8 Law limited offence to 10 years, while "Picking up a kilogram of potatoes" punished under other Law article .And workplace offenses was implemented in war times (5 minutes late - 5 years to get) .Could you provide a source which state that Gleaning existed in USSR? Or may be main misunderstanding here in English word comprahanding - were "gleaning" and "collecting a crops before and during harvesting without permission" are deffinetely not the same? DYK what HOLODOMOR eneded before fields have been commercially harvested in 1933? DYK what there snow in Ukraine from November till March (as same as in 1932/33 winter)- are you expect a seraching for weat in 70-80 cm of snow? Ukraine is not Florida - there no harvesting in spring (as aslo spring 1933). Thank you for your effort on removing data from Holodomor related articlesJo0doe (talk) 17:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

2x2 Game

Dear friends it's wrong link - http://www.indiana.edu/~workshop/colloquia/papers/gardner_paper2.pdf-

This paper proposes a simple game theoretic model of those cycles.

To explain the repression cycle in the USSR, we begin with a simple 2x2 game, two players with two strategies each. See figure 2.

• History not game

Please find a RS about Gleaning in USSR and it's punishing under 7/8 Law. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Game theory

"Game theory is a branch of applied mathematics that is used in the social sciences (most notably economics), biology, engineering, political science, international relations, computer science (mainly for artificial intelligence), and philosophy. Game theory attempts to mathematically capture behavior in strategic situations, in which an individual's success in making choices depends on the choices of others." Bobanni (talk) 04:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

• Which relation it has to Gleaning in USSR (history / agreculture) and 7/8 law (jurisprudence)?Jo0doe (talk) 06:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The article models the cycles of repression in the soviet union including collectivization. As a starting point it uses as an example the law that criminalizes gleaning. Please read the reference.Bobanni (talk) 08:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

So you was unable to comrahend the difference between history and games?Pitty -

• you try to add information that is irrelevant on the grounds that "it is verifiable, so it should be in."

While in regards to you Pavel Polyan ref - it's bad faith editing - as far as no Gleaning no Criminilizing at under 7/8 law at book [7] does not appeared. I hope you'll fix you possible mistakes by yourself .Thank youJo0doe (talk) 08:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

"Gleaning" of excess restaurant food should be separated out

this has nothing to do with actual agricultural gleaning in Ancient Middle East and Medieval Europe, just a catchy name with Christian connotations adopted by the charities in question. Nothing wrong with discussing it in this article in a separate section as cultural homage of sorts, but not good that it seems just mixed into the main text. 173.220.69.141 (talk) 15:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Better Image for "The Gleaners"

From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gleaners There is a better image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JEAN-FRAN%C3%87OIS_MILLET_-_Las_Espigadoras_%28Museo_de_Orsay,_1857._%C3%93leo_sobre_lienzo,_83.5_x_110_cm%29.jpg We should use it, as it is higher quality and much more accurate to what the painting should look like. The image on this page has some light reflection of the left. --71.176.135.195 (talk) 00:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Could someone please explain the math

"In nineteenth century England, gleaning was a legal right for cottagers. In a small village the sexton would often ring a church bell at eight o'clock in the morning and again at seven in the evening to tell the gleaners when to begin and end work.[20] This legal right effectivily ended after a legal case in 1788."

Ok so in the 19th century in England Gleaning was a legal right of cottagers. But this legal right ended after a legal case in the 18th century before it started? Ya sorry guys this math seems off. 198.45.184.25 (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Mark 2:23

Nothing in Mark 2:23-28 indicates that the wheat in question was "leftover", so how is this gleaning and not harvesting, grazing, or even theft? --Khajidha (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

It's not. I've zapped it. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

This is an example of the allowance under Jewish customs that people can forage for their immediate need but cannot take any extra to eat later. This concept is also found in medieval customs i.e. peasants could gather only the wood laying on the King's ground they could carry in their arms. Travelers could only eat apples off a tree one at a time etc. Septagram (talk) 04:49, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

If you're referring to this - that's not "gleaning". --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)