Talk:Gerlin Bean/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 16:13, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:13, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for picking this up BennyOnTheLoose. Looking forward to collaborating with you. Pinging Balance person so that they can bookmark this page, learn about the GA process, and respond if they wish (since the entire idea of the article came from their inspiration.) SusunW (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• Images: My search suggested that there are currently no suitable images of Bean that can be used.

Don't get me started. We tried so hard to find even one image of any person, any organization, any building. :'( So very, very frustrating that there are so few photographs available to use in this significant historical period concerning Black Britons. SusunW (talk) 13:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• Copyvio check - I reviewed all Earwig's Copyvio Detector matches over 10%. No concerns. (A couple of common phrases a few words long appear in the article and in sources)
• Sources appear suitable and reliable. (I'm OK with the issue of Shrew being provided via the Mayday Rooms Twitter account)
• Spot checks on sources OK; any queries are noted below.
• There are a couple of duplicate links which should be removed per WP:DUPLINKS (London School of Economics, Gail Lewis) in my opinion. As per the note at WP:DUPLINKS, "Duplicate links in an article can be found using the duplinks-alt sidebar tool."

Whatever that tool is supposed to do, it doesn't seem to do (or I installed it wrong because I have zero understanding of Wikipedia technology). I removed Gail Lewis and LSE if that works, then  Done SusunW (talk) 13:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Early life and education

• "She earned a bachelor's degree..." Given that the previous sentence was about Jennifer, and that the masters award was in 1995, I suggest "Bean earned a bachelor's degree..."

•  Done SusunW (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• Optionally, bachelor's degree and master's degree could be wikilinked.

•  Done SusunW (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• "She remained in Paddington until the Gresham Youth Project was founded and then went to work in Brixton." - source has "When she left Paddington, Gerlin set up the Gresham Project in Brixton" which I read as a slightly different chronology (Paddington/Brixton/Gresham founded in source v Paddington/Gresham founded/Brixton in the article)

•  Done SusunW (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• "The facility worked in conjunction..." - maybe "The staff of the facility worked in conjunction..."?

•  Done SusunW (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• "an abandoned terrace house" - "an abandoned terraced house" seems the right phrase to me

• BE vs. AE methinks. I've changed it and linked it.  Done SusunW (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Career and activism

• "Although Bean published a pamphlet Black Women Speak Out in 1970–71, ... "feel very constricted"" - sentence doesn't seem to flow well to me. Done Balance person (talk) 14:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• Makes perfect sense to me, so I am not sure how to change it. It's basically the whole reason the women's movement became global. Women at the time could only express themselves in ways that were acceptable to men and were unable to have their issues and views taken seriously. Balance person want to give this a go? SusunW (talk) 13:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

SusunW (talk) Beginner question....How do you get the green check/tick mark to show and do you make the changes on the page as it is in the encyclopedia as normal? Balance person (talk) 13:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Balance person The tick is done by inserting {{done}} here after the comment. As for editing the article, I open a separate tab on the article page and edit it as a normal edit and then come over to this page and make my comment. SusunW (talk) 14:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Legacy

• "Bean has been the subject of two papers presented by W. Chris Johnson of the University of Toronto" - maybe add a little about what these covered in the papers, e.g were they purely biographical?

• The text used to read "Bean has been the subject of two papers presented by W. Chris Johnson of the University of Toronto. In 2018, Johnson presented "The Courage to Continue: The Revolutionary Itineraries of Caribbean Feminist Gerlin Bean" at the Black and Caribbean Diasporic Feminisms Research Workshop held in April in Toronto and "Everything is Interlinked, and Interrelated, Not Static: The Radical Praxis of Caribbean Revolutionary Gerlin Bean in 1970s Britain" at the North American Conference on British Studies held in October in Providence, Rhode Island." But comments in the preliminary review were that since Johnson wouldn't share his work, it was too much focus on him. I have added "about her involvement in radical feminism" because other than what I can see in the titles, that's all I am comfortable saying. If that works, then  Done SusunW (talk) 13:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• Optionally, add the title of the De Jonge sculpture (A Fighters' Archive) and/or something to the effect that the fists were in "the form of a boxing archive". (Too bad there seems to be no info about what happened to the casts after the exhibition).

•  Done SusunW (talk) 13:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Selected works

• I wasn't sure about the external link's inclusion at first, but after looking at WP:MOS-BIBLIO, it seems fine.

• It was the only way we could figure out how to make an image available. SusunW (talk) 13:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Notes

• "Several sources indicate the presence of only two Black women, like A.S. Francis and Bean in an interview, who said only herself and Pat Smith of Essex University attended" - could be reworded. Maybe something like "Several sources indicate the presence of only two Black women. These sources include A.S. Francis, and Bean, who said in an interview that only herself and Pat Smith of Essex University attended"? (If I haven't twisted the meaning.)

•  Done SusunW (talk) 13:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• I think the lead is fine, but you could, optionally, add in something about Bean's principles/beliefs (which might mean adding something to the article body too).

• added "Bean's work and activism focused on eliminating discriminatory policies for people of color, women, and people with disabilities. She fought for equal educational opportunity, fair wages, adequate housing, and programs that supported families, such as counseling services, child care, and health care" to the lede.  Done SusunW (talk) 14:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your work on the article, Balance person and SusunW. From what I've seen in sources, the article seems to be balanced and comply with WP:NPOV. I can't see any major issues with the article; I've put a few suggestions above but some of them I've marked optional, and I'm open to debating any of the others too. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:53, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

BennyOnTheLoose (talk) Thank you both for letting me know how the Gerlin Bean page is getting along in the GA process. I am happy to learn about the criteria and procedures for GAs. SusunW (talk) If you are busy SusunW, I can try to follow the uncomplicated text revisions in the article as per the suggestions? Some other amendments are a bit over technical for me as yet! Let me know? Thanks.Balance person (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Balance person as you like. If you do one of the points, just make sure it is marked done. SusunW (talk)

SusunW (talk) I have had a go at the 'constricted' section. Thanks for your green tick help!Balance person (talk) 14:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks Balance person. BennyOnTheLoose I think we have answered your queries, but if not, please ping me and we'll try again. I truly appreciate your review and help in improving the article. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again for your work here, Balance person and SusunW. I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria, and so am passing it. Well done! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.