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DELETED edit
I know this was up in an earlier version and deleted, but I do think Gephi is notable enough for its own Wikipedia page. I've run into the same problem with its beta designation as was discussed in the previous CfD, and so I thought I'd start this page and see what kind of hammer comes down on me. Elijahmeeks (talk) 19:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and full disclosure, I use Gephi a lot, and I wrote a plugin for it and I'm one of the authors on one of the cited articles. Elijahmeeks (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- Without adding anything substantive to the article why would it not be speedy deleted? Most of the references do not even mention it. noq (talk) 01:01, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- It's prevalence in research and journalism as well as its GSoC selection the last three years running seem to be substantive differences from the other articles currently on the speedy deletion list as well as the last iteration of this article, which I wasn't around to discuss or I would have made a case for it's inclusion, which is what I'm doing now. Can you tell me what would differentiate this from Tulip (software) or, I suppose more importantly, what would make it "notable enough" besides being used in Research 1 institutions and journalism? For one thing, I don't know why you would expect the articles to reference the software--hardly any article that uses Tableau or ArcMap mention the software being used. That's one of the reasons why I put a link to papers using Gephi and pointed out the references by hand. I'm not trying to gum up the works, but I think there's more than enough of a difference in this article as well as the adoption of the software package since the last version of this article to warrant its not being deleted.Elijahmeeks (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
I went back and checked the original deletion discussion and it took place in March 2010 and referred to a lack of references. If you'll take a look at the various references I've posted, you'll notice in the 20 months since then that Gephi has seen significantly more adoption among data visualization practitioners. It's also the technology behind LinkedIn's inMaps, which I'd forgotten to add to the article.Elijahmeeks (talk) 02:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- Where are the references that talk about it in a substantive manner? Of the 6 refs in the article only two actually mention it and one of those is its own website. The existence of other articles that do not meet the notability criteria is no reason to create another - see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. noq (talk) 09:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Contested deletion edit
This page should not be speedily deleted because there are significant differences in the maturity and adoption of the Gephi platform since the first iteration of this article was added to Wikipedia in March 2010.Elijahmeeks (talk) 02:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Contested deletion edit
Keep 6 references should be enough too keep this article, but the main reason cited in the previous AfD doesn't make any sense to me. Gephi is very influential in visualizing networks and used by researchers worldwide. Kirk (talk) 13:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Contested deletion edit
Hi, I'm the author of the previous version, rejected 20 months ago, so I'm following the discussions here with interest. I'm very surprised that despite more than 60 citations in research papers, journals and books, one can still consider a lack of trusted sources. To verify, go to http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Gephi
Considering the Notability issue, Gephi won the Oracle award "Duke's Choice" in 2010 for extreme innovation in technical data visualization: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/java/dukeschoicewinners-171159.html
Hope that help to put a potential deletion in context...
Is this project still alive? edit
I had the following experiences today (May 9, 2015):
- I downloaded Gephi from its website, installed it under Windows 7, didn't work (the installation went Ok, but Gephi didn't come up after starting it). Some Googling later I found that others had this problem too (their posts were dated 2014) and that they had a workaround: installing Java 7, and feeding Gephi the path to the JRE version 7. That worked for me too, but it's now my 2015 and it still doesn't work with Java 8. How active is this project? - I saw on its forum that other people had reported the same problem (in 2015). I tried to register on the forum an join the discussion, but on trying to register I got an automated response that my IP addres was blacklisted. Fortunately a link was included to the site that maintains the blacklist (http://www.ahbl.org/lktool?lookup=x.y.z.n), where I got this:
-- Last Notice: Wildcarding of Services Jan 1st
--As promised in April, on Jan 1st, 2015, i'll be wildcarding all zones no longer in operation - this includes rhsbl.ahbl.org, dnsbl.ahbl.org, and ircbl.ahbl.org. This means that these services will return positive responses for any queries.
--If you are still using these services, this may cause you to incorrectly tag e-mail as spam, or create other unintended consequences. Fix and maintain your servers, now. Do not contact us about 'removing' your domain or IP address from our lists, as there is nothing we can do for you.
--The query load is still high enough that I can not justify allocating the resources necessary to support queries from people who refuse to properly maintain their mail servers.
--For those who are using the old 'tor.ahbl.org' list - you've been using a DNSbl list which has been shut down for around FOUR YEARS. You should be checking to verify that the lists you use are still working or not. I removed the test entry of '2.0.0.127.tor.ahbl.org' years ago, which your monitoring systems should have noticed and warned you about.
- clearly the Gephi forum admin hasn't paid attention to the blacklist-filter for at least four months.
Taken together I'm asking myself if this project is still alive.
Comment on "Is this project still alive?" and additional info edit
This blog post from Feb. 25, 2015 gives the update on Gephi: [1]
This could be reflected in the Wikipedia entry for Gephi?
Discovering this discussion page today, may I add some comments on the issues discussed:
- Gephi is now mentioned in ~ 4,340 papers in Google Scholar: [2]
- The paper declaring the creation of Gephi is itself cited 1,154 times, which is a tall order in terms of citations, and the citation trend is upward: [3]
- Gephi is routinely recommended as a solution for network analysis and visual exploration of networks. See eg [4] or [5]
- Two books by Packt publisher have been published about Gephi by Ken Cherven, independently of the Gephi team and of the Gephi Consortium: [6]
- Gephi's latest version (0.8.2) has passed the 1 million downloads in April 2015: [7]
- Most of the Gephi platform (website and wiki) have been migrated to github.io in 2015 to enhance maintability (gephi.org redirects to gephi.github.io)
- The forum has not moved and this feels. The Gephi group on Facebook has largely taken over as the place for Q&A's about Gephi, with 2,589 members as of today: [8]
I am Seinecle (talk) 20:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC). I am a member of the Gephi Community support team and a member of the Gephi Consortium.
References
- ^ https://gephi.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/gephi-is-asleep-and-up-to-awaken/
- ^ https://scholar.google.fr/scholar?hl=en&q=gephi&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=
- ^ https://scholar.google.fr/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=fEDLILQAAAAJ&citation_for_view=fEDLILQAAAAJ:u5HHmVD_uO8C
- ^ John W. Foreman (2013) Data Smart (http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-111866146X.html)
- ^ Katy Borner (2014) Visual Insights at MIT Press: http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/visual-insights
- ^ http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gephi
- ^ https://twitter.com/Gephi/status/590440449460019201
- ^ https://www.facebook.com/groups/gephi/
Response to comment edit
Good to hear from someone involved in Gephi, so it's not dead then.
However ...
- citations from a year ago aren't evidence of current activity, and all but one of the references mentioned
on Wikipedia are from 2011, the exception being a French-language article (not the best possible reference
on an international forum) from 2014.
However I'm happy to accept that there is strong and continued interest in Gephi and that it's being used
intensively.
- the last version of the Gephi toolkit Gephi 0.8.2beta (Jan 03 2013)) on
https://github.com/gephi/gephi/wiki/Releases dates from 2013; there seem to have been no updates after
that. So it looks as if development has stopped in January 2013.
- the forum page I found when looking for a solution to the Java-8 problem (and where I found you as a user)
under https://forum.gephi.org/viewforum.php?f=32
has 2014 as the date of the most recent post and no solution to the problem except to downgrade to Java-7.
Sorry, but that's one of the hallmarks of a dead project.
- I note that the website URL given on the Wiki page points to the right (live) website
So my suggestions are to:
- update the reference list on the Wikipedia page a little
- mention the forum situation and the Facebook page on the Wiki. (Some people, myself among them, simply
won't consider Facebook as the venue for a serious forum,
and wouldn't use Facebook in any event unless explicitly directed there.)
- mention the problem with Java-8 on the Wiki. (People who download Gephi nowadays will be running Java-8
and may well conclude that Gephi went the way of many
abandoned OSS projects when it fails to run (without any error message !) after installing.)
- have somebody fix the website to allow people to register. (if there's one red flag signalling an
abandoned project it's that their website is no longer maintained).
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Contested deletion edit
This page should not be speedily deleted because this software is in use by a large number of researchers and is in active development. It is definitely not ”fan cruft”. --Andy Anderson 17:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)