Talk:Geography of Greece

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Vikos Gorge

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Vikos Gorge until I added it just now, and cites others as being larger. I changed the claim from "second largest in the world after the Grand Canyon" to something more vague, until someone can get more information about it. -- Beland 01:53, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Dinaric Alps

They [the Pindus mountains] are the last prolongation of the Dinaric Alps.

I removed this sentence because Dinaric Alps and its talk page seem to indicate that the Pindus are not part of the Dinaric Alps. -- Beland 02:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I've changed the height of Olympus due to the fact that I've found the most precise info about it including studies done with modern tools including GPS.

The real height is 2,919 one of the sources of the info is

http://gserver.civil.auth.gr/indexen-research.htm#f12

http://www.summitpost.org/show/mountain_link.pl/mountain_id/986

http://www.anavasi.gr/geographia/macedonia.html

leaving thus any other data like 2,925 or the older 2,917 present in many websites including thCoue CIA worldfact site as false, since it has been measured about two decades ago with less precise gadgets.

Also many have been confused with Stefani peak (the throne of the Gods) as being the highest peak but actually it's the second one at 2,912.

Accordingly these are the two highest peaks in the Olympus range:

Mitikas at 2,919 m Stefani at 2,912 m

As for the Dinaric-Pindus issue, they are indeed part of the Dinarics, but until I find some more precise info about it I won't edit it.

Finally as for the Vikos gorge the more exact definition is the second deepest in the world after the Grand Canyon since it plunges vertically for more than 1,100 meters putting it in the second place as for vertical fall.

Also is known as the largest ravine in Europe.

How many islands does the Greece have? --BokicaK 10:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Expression error in Country Geography box

There is an expression error in this box causing some red error text. I have tried, but i seemingly can't debug the problem. Anyone have any ideas?Julianhall (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I have the same problem and I am unable to correct it. Moreover, the picture Image:Greece colour.png covers the table of contents. Svartkell (talk) 23:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Dubious claims about extent of water area

I've marked the following claim as "dubious":

"Water: 177,050 km² Aegean basin-Islets-Ambrakikos Kolpos-Korinthiakos Kolpos-Patraikos Kolpos all of them located within the boundaries of the territory (Attention: this refers neither to the territorial waters nor to the Ionian sea territorial waters, just to the enclosed Aegean region within the country itself"

(Note that several other figures in the article are related to this one.)

This strikes me as highly dubious. The (unsourced) figure of 177,050 km² amounts to almost the whole extent of the Aegean Sea, and according to the description it is explicitly not restricted to the territorial sea but some (apparently larger) area. However, if this really refers to the Aegean, the "enclosed" areas between the Greek islands in the Aegean are for the most part High Sea, international waters (uncontroversially so, this is not subject to the Aegean dispute or anything). These areas of High Sea do not "belong" to Greece or form part of it in any sense of the word. (For a rough impression of the actual extent of the territorial waters, see this map).

If the extent of "waters" is to play any role in this article, I don't quite see how it can meaningfully be applied to anything other than either the territorial waters, or the internal waters (lakes and rivers, plus possibly small bits of sea that can be legally defined as such, like narrow bays.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I've corrected it to the CIA factbook figures, which count only internal waters, assuming that's common practice here. This unsourced misleading claim had sat around for almost three years [1]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup needed

While reading this article, I noticed a couple of places with random letters after distances. While editing, I checked the values against other articles. The values had been changed by an anonymous user. I also noticed several instances of HTML markups. I removed a few of them, but was not proficient enough in wiki markups to change the rest. Also, a couple of sections are only bulleted lists. The article has almost no citations for any facts. Calador109 (talk) 08:29, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Interactive map broken and out of place.

The interactive map of Greece which featured clickable town and island names, is broken (names out of place) and has been removed from the article for the time being, until it is fixed. Here is the removed syntax code for the map in case someone can help in fixing it:

Map of Greece ATHENS Thessaloniki Kavala ---Thasos Alexandroupolis --Samothrace Corfu Igoumenitsa Larissa Volos Ioannina Chalcis Patras Corinth . Nafplion . Sparta . Areopolis . Piraeus Eleusina Lavrion Heraklion M.Olympus (2917 m) Lefkada Kefalonia Zakynthos- Lemnos Lesbos Chios Samos Andros Tinos Mykonos Icaria --Patmos Naxos Milos Santorini--- Kos Rhodes Karpathos Kassos Kythira Gavdos

Cities and islands of Greece

I hope someone can fix it or add to the article a map similar to this one. Thanks. --SilentResident (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I fixed it; turns out it was just somebody mistakenly changing an image parameter from "center" to "thumb" a year ago [2]. One might say that the article is a bit overloaded with maps now though, so we might still consider removing one of them. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

You are awesome, thanks. --SilentResident (talk) 06:37, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Chalkidice and Peloponnese counting as Peninsulas or not?

@Future Perfect at Sunrise:, shall the sentence of "Greece being a single large peninsula", be changed into something more accurate and detailed, which includes the fact that Peloponnese and Chalkidice too are peninsulas on their own?

I checked the page Chalkidice and the article describes it as a "Peninsula". Also I checked the page Peloponnese, and that too says Peloponnese is a peninsula too.

Given this, couldnt be more accurate if the above sentence is changed into something like "Greece consists of a large mainland and two additional smaller peninsulas projecting from it; Chalkidice and Peloponnese"? (yeah of course the info has to not be copy-pasted from any sources outside Wiki, even unreliable ones, but what I am talking about is the information being valid regardless of source.) --SilentResident (talk) 06:49, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Of course Chalkidice and Peloponese are peninsulas, there's no need to look for references for such a trivial observation, and I'd have no objections to mentioning them somewhere. I removed the sentence mainly because the wording was plagiarized. There's the additional issue that it implied these are the only notable peninsulas, which isn't true (Attica and Magnesia are also prominent ones, plus both Chalkidice and Peloponese are subdivided into yet further smaller peninsulas too, some of which – such as Athos or Mani – are highly notable in their own right). So, once you start describing peninsulas, you're opening a rather complex issue. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:18, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

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Crossroads?

Currently the opening sentence says

Greece is a country in Southern Europe, located at the crossroads of Europe, Asia, and Africa.

Actually it’s near the crossroads of Europe and Asia (Turkey is actually at the crossroads); but it seems like a real stretch to say Greece is at the crossroads with Africa. Anyone object to my removing Africa and changing at to near? Loraof (talk) 23:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I've argued elsewhere (regarding the main Greece article, where we have some very similar wording) that the phrase is either meaningless or useless peacockery, so I'd certainly not object to its removal here. You'll probably find that a small number of editors are very much attached to it though, and since they have found references in formally reliable sources that have used similar descriptions before, you'll have a hard time persuading them that we aren't under an iron-clad obligation to keep it there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:24, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, Turkey is regarded a crossroad due to its possession of Eastern Thrace, but is not the only country in the region to be considered as such. Greece too happens to be a Non-contiguous transcontinental country as it possesses a number of islands that are part of the Asian continental shelf not forming a continuum with Greece's (European) mainland, An example of this is the Greek island of Kastellorizo (Megisti). Still it baffles me how, despite this, some editors around here are calling this "useless peacockery" and are trying to pretend that Greece isn't owning Asian land at all or that the said country isn't even located where the three continents meet. And is amousing that, even though there is a large ammount of RS supporting the term "crossroads", they are asking for its removal. RS aside, the facts speak for themselves, like it or not. I will be adding the RS to the lead to make sure this is never questioned or disputed ever again. --❤ SILENTRESIDENT ❤ 03:28, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Agriculture

I noticed this article does not reference the agriculture when talking about Greece's geography. So, I have compiled a list of other online sources that will aid in this process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjv4974 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

References

Expanding "Greece" Article with more topics/ sources

We can expand on culture, (since this article is mostly focused on climate and physical geography of Greece) with this book that talks about Music, Text, and overall Culture. As well as expanding the History of Greece in a military angle discussing ancient Greece and its past struggles with another book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by H.yahira (talk • contribs) 22:54, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

References

Adding Population Geography

Hello everyone, we've been working in a previous sandbox on information to add to the article and we will begin to add a by sections. Shelly.naugle (talk) 00:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I realized there is no information regarding Greece's population geography. Therefore, I am planning on adding a new section titled population geography of Greece that will provide information regarding Greece's: fertility rate, mortality rate, birthrate and life expectancy. I also plan on including some more art like population maps and population pyramids to show Greece's trends. Here are some of the links/ sources I plan to add and include in the article:

this has information regarding population pyramids of Greece.

this has information regarding life expectancy for both female and male in Greece.

here's a link that shows birth rate trends and future possible trends

this link provide information of mortality rate for children under 5 years old. Shelly.naugle (talk) 00:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

References

Please edit them to Demographics of Greece.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:13, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Shelly, thanks for your great work here. I think Phoenix7777 may have a point though: As long as your findings about population statistics don't concern geographic variation within Greece but the Greek population as a whole, maybe Demographics of Greece might be a more suitable place to add them? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:14, 28 November 2018 (UTC)