Talk:Genesis (Heroes)

Rewrite

I decided to rewrite the plot section. I don't have any extra sources, but neither does the current section. Does someone, if they agree with me, want to copy it into the main article?

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"Genesis", the series' pilot, establishes the stories of most of the main characters, as well as the series premise. Robert Canning of ign.com describes the episode as "short on action", but with "much to look forward to."

The central theme of human evolution, and the potential for superhuman changes, is introduced by the character of Mohinder Suresh, a genetics professor in Madras, India. After receiving news of his father Chandra Suresh's death, Mohinder travels to New York to finish Chandra's research, believing it was the reason he was murdered. Mohinder's story also introduces the idea of an underlying conspiracy involving the "heroes". At his father's apartment in India, he suspects his father's flat has been searched, and then hears (but does not see) a mysterious person talking on a mobile phone in another room. The same man later gets into Mohinder's taxi, asking him several suspicious questions before Mohinder flees.

Two storylines in particular reflect a darker perspective on the new-found abilities. Isaac Mendez is an artist with aheroin addiction in New York City. He claims that he can paint the future, but his girlfriend, Simone Deveaux, seems to believe it is just the influence of the illicit drug. Later, following a severe overdose, he paints a mural of a nuclear explosion destroying Manhattan.

Niki Sanders, a webcam stripper in Las Vegas, Nevada, and her son Micah are forced to flee from thugs approaching their home. After a meeting with a member of staff at Micah's private school, Niki believes she sees a reflection that is not her. She leaves Micah with a friend and returns home, where the thugs coerce her into stripping. She blacks out during the performance, awakening some time later to find that they have been savagely killed. Her reflection motions for her to keep silent. Both Isaac and Niki find their powers to be "an unwelcome change that they are forced to deal with."

Meanwhile, Hiro Nakamura, a cubicle worker in Tokyo, Japan discovers he can control the passage of time. Hiro is presented in a lighter, happier manner, as someone who is excited about the changes happening to him. His friend and co-worker, Ando Masahashi, is skeptical, even after Hiro proves it to him by teleporting into the women's restroom at a bar. Hiro believes he is meant for something more, but Ando disagrees and quips "Super-Hiro!". Later, Hiro successfully teleports to Times Square.

Other characters include Claire Bennet, a high school cheerleader in Odessa, Texas, who has discovered that she regenerates from any injuries, and has her classmate Zach film her doing such things. She believes that if discovered, her life would be over. Heading home, they come across a train wreck, from which Claire saves a man, escaping unharmed.

Peter Petrelli's story crosses paths with many of the other characters. A nurse in New York, Peter has recurring dreams of flying. He tells his brother, congressional candidate Nathan Petrelli, that he believes he can fly. Nathan responds by saying that Peter should put his time to better use. Peter tells his mother that he has a metaphysical connection with Nathan, but his mother is skeptical. Simone, who is the daughter of one of Peter's patients, tells him to bring morphine to Isaac's apartment. There, Peter sees a painting of himself flying. At the end of the episode, he summons Nathan to an alley in the middle of the city. When Peter leaps off of the roof of an adjacent building attempting to fly but instead it is Nathan who flies up and catches him, only to lose his grip and drop Peter.

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--82.152.248.87 (talk) 01:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Ratings

Total viewership: 14 million, according to the article. Is this multinational? Or has someone entered his country's viewership without thought that this is a multi-national English wiki?--82.152.248.87 (talk) 00:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I have a keen eye

When we first meet Hiro and Ando, Hiro is running down his office hallway yelling "I did it!" When he gets to Ando's cubicle, Ando is at Niki Sanders' webpage. He quickly exits the program before Hiro gets there. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by HL-SDK (talk • contribs) 00:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

'tis true, but is perhaps not as subtle as you think. I think that the music playing on the computer draws attention to this.--82.152.248.87 (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Reference?

"The bespectacled man who talks to Mohinder in the cab mentions the surnames "Smith" and "Anderson". This is a reference to the antagonist and the protagonist of The Matrix trilogy (Agent Smith and Thomas Anderson, respectively)."

Do we have a source for this? It seems like speculation at best. NorthernThunder 18:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It is probably a reference, but I'll change the text to "may". No big deal. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Plot summary

It's definitely the first turn stated in the template and maybe a reverse on the third: overly short. I'll watch the repeat tonight, record it and edit soon. The major issue is the seperation by characters. That's something for a character article, not an episode article. Plot summary should simply detail the events as the happen. This makes interractions expecially easier to write and understand.

Another issue is the DVD screener. Article does not properly assert that unfinished, largely seperate work was made and leaked. I'll work on that, too, if I get the chance. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Eclipse

The article states "The solar eclipse is seen in both Japan and America at the same time. This is usually impossible in actuality". Usually impossible in actuality?? Huh? Is it possible or is it not? --124.189.10.82 11:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The Moon's shadow is only so big. While it may be possible (though I would guess not) for people in Tokyo and New York to see the sun partially eclipsed at the same time, or to see the same total eclipse at different times on the same day, the region of totality is at most 250 km wide at any given moment. But with Hiro bending time, who knows? —Tamfang 23:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite

In regards to the clean-up notices posted on the page, I have made an attempt to condense the plot summary. Unfortunately, it now separated by characters and not in chronological order. Additionally, I have removed the entire trivia section and attempted to replace any information I thought could be relevant. I also slightly expanded the lead-in. I would like to get some opinions on it before changing the main article; it will be posted at Talk:Genesis (Heroes)/Temp for those who want to take a look at it. I couldn't think of a way to both condense the plot into its important events and maintain its chronological order, so that's the main aspect I want comments on. --ITocapa 05:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Good start - I've gone ahead and built upon what you did, rearranging to reflect the layout used on well-established pages such as the Doctor Who episode articles. My changes were as follows:

• added a synopsis of the episode (using the one from the "List of episodes" page)
• reworked the plot section to add third-party review material, including some character analysis and critique
• regrouped several sections under the "Production" heading
• retitled the eclipse section as "Continuity", again as per Doctor Who

Let's see where this goes... it already feels as if it has moved the article more toward an "out-of-universe" perspective. If there's no objection over the next few days, I'd suggest we go "live" with this and use it as the actual article. Thoughts? --Ckatz^chat_spy 09:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I love what you've done by adding the third-party sourced information. My concern is that what I wrote doesn't meld well with the sourced information, particularly in regards to Claire's story, which has no citations. Is the "Plot" section trying to be an analysis or a summary? I believe if we're going to take the approach of mixing actual plot summary with outside sources' analysis (which we should), then we might as well just do away with all of the specific details and leave in the important stuff, and the stuff that can be sourced. Much of the plot detail is better left to the character pages, anyway. I think we should see what we can do with that. --ITocapa 18:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

No-one has voiced an objection, so I've gone ahead and posted the page. Let's see what people think. (Thanks again for taking the initiative to start overhauling the article.) --Ckatz^chat_spy 08:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Genesis or In His Own Image?

Isn't this episode called In His Own Image? See 1:07 minutes on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17tNiiHrrDM Wikipedian 12:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You're watching the unaired pilot episode... the aired version is called "Genesis". --Ckatz^chat_spy 09:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Copy that. Wikipedian 11:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Unaired Pilot

Should there be a section included that is about the unaired pilot, or would that be too non-notable? QuasiAbstract (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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