Talk:Gee (Girls' Generation song)

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Orphaned references in Gee (Girls' Generation song)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Gee (Girls' Generation song)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "gaonchart.co.kr":

• From Mr. Taxi / Run Devil Run: "Gaon Album Chart — May 2011 Chart". Gaon (in Korean). Retrieved June 30, 2011.
• From Girls' Generation discography: "Gaon Chart" (in Korean). Gaon Chart. Retrieved May 28, 2013.
• From The Boys (Girls' Generation album): "Gaon Chart". Gaonchart.co.kr. Retrieved 2012-02-18.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Redirect to Gee(EP)

To quote @Moscow Connection::1. It wasn't discussed anywhere. 2. You were the one who copy-pasted the same info to the other article. 3. The single is more notable than the EP.

I copied the info over to redirect this page back to Gee (EP). But basically, before my edit, the two articles had the same info (but with different wordings). Why must we have two different articles for basically the same thing? I redirected the page to the "Singles" section. When people click on the song, it goes to the single section. I did not delete anything.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:52, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

And seriously, there are no sources for the album chart at all, as well as some of the single charts. I know "Gee" was a big hit, but we still need sources here, I rewrote the song's article myself, but couldn't find the sources for all of them either. And some of the other information had no sources whatsoever. That whole paragraph of "Composition" on the album article 1 is fantalk--TerryAlex (talk) 23:10, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

1. It's not the same thing. There are 3 different things: the Korean single, the Korean EP and the Japanese single. 2. No, I can already see that you've deleted lots of things. The track listings, for one. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

(Sorry, I have previously posted another, more detailed reply that as I've just noticed wasn't saved because of an edit conflict. It took me some time to find it in another browser's tab, here it is:)

# The single is notable and deserves a separate article. If some information is the same, it's probably because you copy-pasted some stuff from this article to the article about the EP. Uncopypaste it, then.

1. Actually, I'm now looking at the article "Gee (EP)" and it's absolutely incomprehensible after what you did. There's some very long paragraph that's probably supposed to discuss the singles, but it's messy and I can't even make myself read it. And there are no track listings for any singles and the chart section is messy too. I don't get it. And no one will. "Singles's certifications"? You mean, for the single titled "Gee"? But how was I supposed to guess it?
2. By the way, there were two singles: a Korean one and a Japanese one. And they are both notable. And they are completely different versions, you can't put them both in one table.
3. You should change both this article and the article about the EP back to how it was before you. Just to be safe. Cause as I said, I think you messed them up.

--Moscow Connection (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Here's a source for Oricon, weekly #2: [1]. It is notable, okay? --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:51, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

That's one, but where are the Daily chart? Monthly chart? Yearly chart? Album chart?

Okay, I don't intend to create edit warrings here. I reverted the EP article to the earlier version. I could have done it wrong, but the song's article is not good like this either. @Moscow Connection: If you are wondering what I took out for the song's article. Here, based on this revision 1 The heading that says "The music video for "Gee" was the most viewed K-pop video on YouTube from September 2011 to September 1, 2012" Soshified did not say anything about that. The next two paragraph had no sources. That "Background" section is not the kind of information that needs to be on Wikipedia. I trimmed down the "Chart performance", we don't need that kind of details and I got lost halfway through reading it. That sentence "On October 26, 2010 it was announced that their Japanese 2nd single "Gee" reached #1 on the Oricon Daily chart, making them the first non-Japanese Asian girl group to reach number 1 on the chart.", the source did not say anything about the Oricon chart, it linked to RIAJ Digital Track Chart instead. That "Live performances" section is unnecessary. "The popular culture" was not sourced except for the very first sentence. That whole "Composition" on the other article was fantalk. --TerryAlex (talk) 23:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

And album and song's info get mixed up too. What does "30k copies" and album chart do in the song's article?--TerryAlex (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid that now the daily and the monthly chart positions can be found only in the Wayback Machine. Try to find them there if you have serious doubts. I personally am completely AGFing the people who added the info.
The previous version was simply better and much more complete. Even if some stuff is not sourced, you should AGF. Yes, the article is badly written, but it should be fixed by someone who understands what it says. You didn't understand and as a result you messed the article up.
Could you maybe just delete the parts that talk about the EP from here? I just know that article should stay and that this version is much better structured and much more correct than your version. But I don't have time for this now. --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

@Moscow Connection: Okay, I miswrote it. I should have put "released as the 2nd single" instead of "included", but whatever I wrote was just a condense version of the earlier revision.--TerryAlex (talk) 00:35, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

The sentence you changed said: "On October 20, 2010 a Japanese version of "Gee" was released as the second single from the group's debut Japanese album, Girls' Generation, in three versions on CD and DVD.". The sentence explains that there were several versions and that it is why there is a DVD in the Track listing section. But you deleted the part about versions. (It's just an example of how you deleted something important...) --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:04, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Wayback Machine does not have the references, I tried but failed.--TerryAlex (talk) 00:43, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't have time now... I will now find one reference for you, only to prove to you that it can be done. :) --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:04, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Different versions (CD/DVD) is not something to mention on Wikipedia. Am I right or wrong about this @Drmies:? --TerryAlex (talk) 01:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I think you just don't understand what different versions are. (You are scaring me, have you ever edited articles about music releases before? Go and delete the tracklistings for everything except the regular US version from "1989 (Taylor Swift album)" and then come back and tell us how it went. :-))
Anyway, it's too hard to find the daily and the monthly charts, buth here's the yearly one: [2]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

All Billboard Japan charts can be sourced from this site: [3]. They are all there, no problem. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe the two articles should have stayed separately, okay I get it. But in my earlier revision for this article, I did not take out the track listing. In words though, this is what it is supposed to mean: "The song was released as the 2nd single from the album". Different versions don't matter. Regarding the chart, I would appreciate if you can find me the exact links, just that website cannot verify the numbers. Anyways, I will stop here and thanks for the discussion.--TerryAlex (talk) 01:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Different versions matter cause they all are equal and the limited edition usually sells more. So the Track listing section should list all the versions.
Billboard Japan Hot 100 [4], Hot Singles Sales [5], Hot Top Airplay [6], Adult Contemporary Airplay [7]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:57, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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This graph (File:Search volume for kpop.svg) is in the Legacy section with the text "The success of 'Gee' was deemed as a landmark for K-pop and the Korean Wave; online search for K-pop has gradually increased since the song was released in early 2009." While the first sentence is undeniably true, the second sentence reads as if the reason for online searches in K-pop increasing - beyond 2009 - was majorly due to "Gee". The searches for K-pop increasing has to do with many, many factors, of which Girls Generation as a whole were definitely part of beyond this single. In this context, it overstates "Gee" and understates other factors. I think that what the graph shows is rather broad for this section specifically. - Breaktheicees (talk) 20:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the description implies Gee was the main reason for the rise in searches. But I don't think the image should be removed because both the file description and the article referenced mention that K-pop searches did increase after the release of Gee and Sorry Sorry. To paraphrase the article, I suggest changing the description to "In 2009, the success of songs such as Gee and Super Junior's Sorry Sorry played a part in the increase of search volume for K-Pop as the Korean wave began spreading across Asia through digital media and online sharing sites." Solemn Penance (talk) 05:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree, the wording should be changed. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 14:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

That's a good point and I like your suggestion for a new caption. Breaktheicees (talk) Breaktheicees (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2023 (UTC)