Talk:Fred Thelonious Baker

Copyvio?!

Most of the article appears to be a literal copy of the Calyx article. BNutzer (talk) 12:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The Calyx article states: Most of the information in this biography was borrowed from Chris Parker's profile on Fred Thelonious Baker in "The Rough Guide To Jazz". Matches your referencing, Jafeluv ;) BNutzer (talk) 22:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a copyvio. The first version seems to be a straight copypaste from the Calyx article, so we'll have to start from scratch. There's a clean version in my sandbox. I'll replace the current page with that one once all the information is there. Jafeluv (talk) 22:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Y Replaced with a clean version now. Feel free to expand! Jafeluv (talk) 00:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Guitarist?

Jafeluv, in your sandbox you wrote "recorded as a guitarist". Do you have a reference for that? I thought he is a bass guitarist, so I have removed the guitarist part there. BNutzer (talk) 23:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It looks like he has continued to play both guitar and bass guitar, several google matches indicate that ... BNutzer (talk) 23:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The Rough Guide source says: "the following year, as a guitar player, [he recorded] an eponymous Fred Thelonious Baker Group album [...]". I think it also said somewhere that his recent solo album had a solo guitar track played by him. I'll try to verify that, though. Jafeluv (talk) 23:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It was actually the AAJ source you added where it says that Missing Link contains a guitar track by him.^[1] I tend to believe that he played the guitar on the 1984 FTBG record as well. Jafeluv (talk) 00:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Double Up also seems to be a two guitarists duo album with Phil Miller. BNutzer (talk) 00:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Apologies if I'm not doing this correctly, I'm new to wikipedia talk pages. Fred is most definitely still a guitarist - he's played guitar longer than he's played the bass. The Phil Miller/Fred Baker album "Double Up" has Fred listed as playing Guitar & Bass Guitar. Also he plays guitar on several of Vikki Clayton's albums ... e.g. Vikki Clayton "In Flight". Fred is listed variously as playing electric guitars, acoustic guitars, Harmony acoustic etc. As an example of his guitar playing see Karen Street & Fred Baker or Mickey The Fixer's You Tube Channel . He definitely played guitar on the FTB Group album, the bass player was Matt Rooke. Wikipedia's verification rules are laudable but occasionally frustrating as unless there is a citable printed or Internet source for the information it seems it's not readily accepted. Fred himself has tried to change some of the erroneous info about him (notably part of an article about him that appeared in a guide to jazz - which was totally wrong), but hasn't been successful as he cannot prove who he is! Luckily most of this stuff has disappeared now. I'm slightly frustrated as well as I've known Fred for nearly 30 years, played with him several times and in fact I am his brother-in-law ... yet I can't provide much citable, verifiable proof of much of the information I'd like to submit to Wikipedia about him. Ah well. If any of you guys can give me any hints I'd be grateful. Cheers. MickeyTheFixer (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Another album

Apparently, there is another solo release called something like Bassically Speakin' or Bas(s)ically Speaking, it's mentioned on the In Cahoots page and on de:Fred T. Baker. It seems difficult to find more evidence on the web so far. BNutzer (talk) 00:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering about that as well. According to Allmusic, there's a track on Missing Link called "Bassically Speakin' 'The Groove'". Maybe it's an alternative name or a working title for the album? Jafeluv (talk) 00:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I sent an e-mail asking about that via the contact link on the In Cahoots page (*knocks on wood). BNutzer (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply received! "Bassically speaking" (as spelled in the reply) was published in 1989 as a limited cassette edition, remastered in 1996, additional tunes added, and published as "Missing Link". That solves that mystery ;) Nice guess of yours! Cheers, BNutzer (talk) 12:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Nice! I presume that should go under "solo recordings", then? Jafeluv (talk) 14:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

(un-indent) Yes, it could go there; I am not sure if it is "worth" an entry of its own. It could also go into the text section or into an explanatory text to Missing Link, e.g. "(includes remastered versions of tunes from the 1989 limited cassette production Bassically Speaking)". I have sent another mail asking for the exact spelling of the title (which I am still not sure of). BNutzer (talk) 20:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Another album not listed : A Moon Of Roses Harry Beckett - Moon of Roses, Harry Beckett, Twana Rhodes and Tom Mega et al - it's really Harry's album. 1994. As far as I know never released in UK (or USA?) Still available, I have a pre-release copy. This should also be listed on Harry Beckett - Harry Beckett's Wikipedia page? MickeyTheFixer (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)