Talk:Footprints in the Sand (Leona Lewis song)

Charity proceeds

How much of the proceeds from the single's sales go to Sports Relief? All, or some? 86.143.70.75 (talk) 17:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: 1111tomica (talk · contribs) 19:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

There aren't any disambiguation links, however the FN 41 is dead. You have to remove it, together with its information. — Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

• The link went dead, but the event still happened. Per WP:DEADREF I replaced the link with one from the episode. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

  Okay, good.— Tomica (talk) 21:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

• Removed the video link and place it in the External links section
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Lead

• In the first sentence, unlink debut and studio album per Wikipedia:OVERLINK— Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• It was released on 9 March 2008 in the United Kingdom as Lewis's third single via digital downloads. ---> The song was digitally release as Lewis' third single on 9 March, 2008 in the United Kingdom. — Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• The song is a pop-R&B song (awkward) ---> Footprints in the Sand is a pop and R&B song— Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Partially done. — Tomica (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
      • removed the double "song"
• "Footprints in the Sand" was written in one day at Page's house in Malibu... ---> It was written in a period of one day at Page's home in Malibu...— Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• The single became the official theme ---> "Footprints in the Sand" became the official theme— Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• It received generally positive reviews by music critics, ---> The song received positive reviews from music critics,— Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• "Footprints in the Sand" charted as a single ---> "Footprints in the Sand" charted as a separate single— Tomica (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Background and composition

• "Footprints in the Sand" was written by Simon Cowell, David Kreuger, Per Magnusson and Richard Page in 2007 at Rokstone Studios, London, England.[1][2] and it was produced by Steve Mac.[1] ---> "Footprints in the Sand" was written by Simon Cowel, David Kreuger, Per Magnusson and Richard Page, while the production was helmed by Steve Mac. It was recorded in 2007 at Rokstone Studios in London. — Tomica (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• by the choir ---> by a choir — Tomica (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• The song is an adaptation of the Christian poem "Footprints",[8] and Lewis commented "Originally it was a poem; it's very inspirational so we put it into a song. I think it is very moving, with a very emotional lyric and I really love to sing this song" ---> It contains an adaptation of the Christian poem "Footprints".[8] Regarding the song, Lewis commented "Originally it was a poem; it's very inspirational so we put it into a song. I think it is very moving, with a very emotional lyric and I really love to sing this song"— Tomica (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• They took the idea to a songwriting session the pair already had scheduled with Page at his home in Malibu, California and they finished the song the following day.---> They accepted the idea for co-writing and had scheduled session in Page's home in Malibu, California, succeeding to finishe the full song for one day. — Tomica (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• The song is about "standing by someone and being there for people who need your help. ---> According to who? — Tomica (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• In an interview with HitQuarters, Magnusson said they had thought the song would be a good idea for Westlife, but it was offered to Lewis instead.[10] ---> This should go before the one above. — Tomica (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Release and promotion

• On 29 January 2008, Lewis announced on her website that "Footprints in the Sand", along with "Better in Time" ---> Do we have source for this? — Tomica (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done (the source was immeadiately after the next line). Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• The song was remixed for the single release ---> Was remixed ? What happened? The composition was changed, vocal by other artist were added, mash-up? — Tomica (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Doing... Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
    • I think it is done, there is no changes in the structure, just the begining. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:59, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
• The music video for "Footprints in the Sand" premiered on her official website and BBC Radio 1's website on 27 February 2008.[22] It was filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa,[12][23] and was directed by British director Sophie Muller back-to-back with the video for "Better in Time". ---> The accompanying music video was filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa,[12][23] and was directed by British director Sophie Muller back-to-back with the video for "Better in Time". It premiered on Lewis' official website and the BBC Radio 1's website on 27 February 2008.[22]. — Tomica (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• Optional: Is the video released on iTunes? You can added if that happened in the paragraph. — Tomica (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  • There is a link, but what I can add? Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
    • You put the iTunes release date in the article. — Tomica (talk) 21:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
      •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:59, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Reception

• , along with another song ("Here I Am") from the album, as a "sleeper ballad". ---> , along with "Here I Am", as a "sleeper ballad". — Tomica (talk) 16:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• unlink South Africa — Tomica (talk) 16:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
• on European countries ---> in Europe — Tomica (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• whilst ---> while — Tomica (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  • "whilst" is the British "while". Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.
• The single debuted in the German charts on 16 June 2008 at number five ---> The single debuted on the German Singles Chart on 16 June, 2008 at number five. — Tomica (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Covers

• unlink Welsh— Tomica (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Other sections

• Look good— Tomica (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Charts

• Apply Wikipedia:ACCESS— Tomica (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Access is not obligatory, but I added it. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

References

• Reflist ---> Reflist|colwidth=25em
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1. 3 Link the publisher and work

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1. 4, the title should not be in italics, the publisher is = Musicnotes.com. Sony/ATV Music Publishing

• • Actually, the publisher is Musicnotes Inc. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 7 publisher=MTV Networks or Viacom, + link both MTV News and the modified publisher

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 8 Linking needed

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 14 publisher is also needed BBC

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1. 15 Link Hachetted Filipachi Ltd

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 16 Linking needed

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 19 Why there is not outside link for the reference?

• • Because I couldn't find a reliable source for the Sports Relief of that year. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Sorry, but how should I know that it contains the information? — Tomica (talk) 21:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
      • A video of her performance. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 21:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
        • Mmmm is this the official YouTube Sport Relief channel? Don't think so. YouTube link could be used only if they are uploaded from official channels. Sorry Tbnotch, find reliable source or otherwise you will have to remove the information.— Tomica (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
          • And again, just because there is no source it does not mean that the event didn't happen. I didn't use that link per WP:ELNEVER, buy {{Cite episode}} exists for a reason, Will you remove a link of a magazine or a book just because you don't have it? WP:FILMPLOT applies here. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 22:05, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 28 Link BBC Music

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 33 publisher=Prometheus Global Media + link Billboard

• • I think it was published by Nielsen at that time. Prometheus Global Media was created in late 2009. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 34 Bad title, + UK Singles Chart should be also in publisher

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 35 publisher should also be Irish Music Charts

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 37 Unlink the Official Charts Company

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1. 43 Official and Channel, both with capital letters

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

1. 44 Here and everywhere, Official Website, again with capital letters

• •  Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

The references are poor, re-work them. — Tomica (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

• I think I reworked some of them, if any of them need a change you can tell me. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:59, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I am passing it. — Tomica (talk) 22:17, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

All in all

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Footprints in the Sand (Leona Lewis song). Based on the evidence given here, the Leona Lewis song is not the primary topic for 'Footprints in the Sand'. EdJohnston (talk) 03:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Footprints in the Sand (song) → Footprints in the Sand – Almost all incoming links appear to be for the song. Unreal7 (talk) 13:29, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose incoming links are just a reflection of Wikipedia editor's own activity, cf WP:RECENT. Footprints in the Sand in Google Books relates to the poem Footprints (poem) and the current redirect is correct. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Create dab page Also it turns out that in books on pop music and Billboard that Footprints in the Sand (Edgel Groves song) not Footprints in the Sand (Leona Lewis song) is the more common topic; a good illustration of how self-referencing Wikipedia titles don't take into account WP:RECENT problems. Footprints in the Sand (disambiguation) probably needs creating with the poem as the primary and the 2 songs + 2 albums Cristy Lane discography Larry Norman discography + Footprints in the Sand (TV series) + H2O: Footprints in the Sand all listed on it. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Needed to be done, so Footprints in the Sand (disambiguation) done. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose – because it doesn't look primary per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, including not being more likely to be desired over all the other articles combined (now collected on Footprints in the Sand (disambiguation)). Clearly, it needs a different name from Footprints in the Sand (song) because that's ambiguous with Footprints in the Sand (Edgel Groves song), and Footprints in the Sand (Leona Lewis song) an obvious candidate if it's not primary. From stats.grok.se, in order of popularity:

Footprints (poem) has been viewed 5024 times in 201403

H2O: Footprints in the Sand has been viewed 4056 times in 201403

Footprints in the Sand (song) has been viewed 1631 times in 201403

Footprints in the Sand (TV series) has been viewed 127 times in 201403

Footprints in the Sand (Edgel Groves song) has been viewed 67 times in 201403

It actually seems that no article has claim on primacy of "Footprints in the Sand", so the dab page should be at Footprints in the Sand. ENeville (talk) 20:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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