Talk:Football in Australia

Outdated references

I just saw an editor deleting an edit on the basis that it was not sustained by the sourcing. On checking the sourcing I find that we are relying on documents published in 1913 and 1930!

Perhaps we should take a look at changes made over the past few decades?

Here's something a little more up to date. Oddly enough we don't seem to recognise in our article that Football is the most widely played team sport in the nation.

Perhaps we can discuss the currency and accuracy of the stuff we are feeding the readers? --Pete (talk) 03:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I think you may have made an error with the link behind your "something". I suspect you meant to place a potential source there, rather than a link back to a diff for this article. HiLo48 (talk) 03:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Well spotted! I screwed up. Now fixed. Thanks. --Pete (talk) 06:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that source is all that helpful for this particular issue. The part of the edit I particularly saw needing a source was the claim that "the term football is becoming more popular". In fact, that article calls the sport soccer. To support what you want the article to say, you would need a source that effectively says "the term football is becoming more popular". HiLo48 (talk) 06:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you could address the point being made? Are you actually reverting edits because your preferred source for a statement on current events predates the First World War???? --Pete (talk) 07:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I have made my point here for now. We don't have a source for the claim "the term football is becoming more popular". HiLo48 (talk) 08:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

My point concerns your behaviour. You support century-old references to refer to current events, to the point of edit-warring over them. That's not a good way to provide useful information to our readers. As you must know, having spent the past two decades gritting your teeth, the use of the term Football to refer to the sport previously known as Soccer is steadily increasing. It surprised me too, and I speak as a Victorian of a similar antiquity to yourself, but when I looked into the facts, I found things had changed since the salad days of youth. Here are a few sources for you to grit your teeth over:

• Australia is eagerly embracing football precisely because we are hungrily embracing the rest of the world, are more outward-looking than ever before, are maturing in our acceptance of what modern Australia looks like and of what an Australian actually is. SMH
• more and more Australians refer to the game as football and not soccer. -- The Sporting News
• Harking back to 2006 is relevant as that was a time when football, or soccer as it was more commonly called in that era, reinvented itself in Australia. Guardian Australia
• The survey stated that more than a million men, women, boys and girls are playing football, a statistic which continues to dwarf the numbers achieved by all other sports in Australia. The Roar

As has been pointed out several times, all national media outlets refer to "Football" alongside "AFL", "NRL" etc on their sports pages. Twenty years ago it was "Soccer". Times are changing: ABC, Nine, Ten, SBS, The Australian and so on and on. --Pete (talk) 11:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Please stop talking about me. That will not solve the issue here. HiLo48 (talk) 11:09, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

As I noted, the issue is your editing behaviour. Edit-warring to preserve statements about current events based on references dating to before the First World War. I'm sorry that you don't see this bizarre behaviour as appropriate for editors to discuss, and I don't want to hurt your feelings as a human being, but we are engaged in writing an encyclopaedia for people to refer to and having accurate information on the 21st Century is generally seen as being a positive factor in Wikipedia's coverage. I honestly don't know how to discuss your editing behaviour without referring to you. Whether you agree or not, "Football" is becoming more common in Australia to refer to the sport previously and almost universally known here as "Soccer". Times are changing. The world moves on. Can we accept this, even if we oldies don't particulary like it? --Pete (talk) 11:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Please stop talking about me. HiLo48 (talk) 11:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)