Talk:Fontainea venosa/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Eewilson (talk · contribs) 05:56, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Sparklingkull: Thank you for improving Fontainea venosa and submitting it as a GA nominee. This will be my 4th GA review. I have one article that I brought to GA status, Symphyotrichum lateriflorum. I will do my best to review F. venosa in a timely manner, but I have been told that I am very thorough. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. —Eewilson (talk) 06:11, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Eewilson: Hi! Thank you for your review :) I had just edited the article as per your suggestions. I also found some minor grammar error things that I had just revised as well. Hopefully, it is better now.

Also, I think the use of commas to justify or further explain something mid-sentence should be fine. Refer to the discussion in this link that might help explaining it https://writing.stackexchange.com/questions/2649/how-to-explain-something-mid-sentence

However, if you think a change is necessary, I can also change it as well. Let me know

Thanks!

Sparklingkull (talk) 11:26, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Sparklingkull: Which commas do you mean (with that link)? Just to make sure I understand what you are talking about so I can see if a change is necessary. —Eewilson (talk) 12:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Eewilson & Sparklingkull, what is the status of this review? --Usernameunique (talk) 10:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Usernameunique, I haven't heard from Sparklingkull since 26 June 2021. I believe that was the day COVID-19 hit badly again in Sydney, Australia, where they live. I believe they are a student, and possibly (just guessing) does not have access to facilities to work on this. Just guessing. It needs work and has an image that I actually was getting ready to nominate for deletion for copyvio (or potentially so). If we don't hear from Spaklingkull, it could probably be failed. I'd say wait it out a day after your ping. —Eewilson (talk) 10:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Grammar and punctuation

@Sparklingkull: Hi! I am finding what I would consider a significant number of punctuation and grammatical errors which are not acceptable for an article at B-status :(, so they will definitely all need to be fixed before we can go further toward GA. Editors come at articles with all levels of an understanding of the English language, and English is complicated, so please don't be discouraged about this. You don't have to be an expert, but they will need to be fixed. Please know that I am coming at this from US English, so if I do get something incorrect per Australian English, please let me know, although I think the ones I am bring up are universal. :) So, let me see if I can help with this first.

Here are some examples:

• Grammar — nouns and verbs
  • Each leaf have a base with a pair... — the correct verb is Each leaf has a base with a pair...
  • Its leaf stalk or petiole range from... — the correct verb is Its leaf stalk or petiole ranges from...
  • Female flowers are apical and often occurs in... — the correct verb is Female flowers are apical and often occur in...
  • Its fruit have an orange to yellow colour and are spherical... — in this case, I would pluralize the noun to make it Its fruits have an orange to yellow colour and are spherical...
  • Forest and thicket should be plural in this sentence: F. venosa occurs mainly in Notophyll vine forest or Araucaria microphyll vine forest and vine thicket, up to 380 meters in altitude that captures moderate orographic rainfall.
  • Going along these lines, take a good read again of the article and look for verb/noun plurality mismatches and correct accordingly.

• Punctuation, comma use, run-on sentences
  • You don't need the comma after "of which": Direct sequencing of selected cpDNA and nrDNA within the genus affirmed four distinct sequence groups, of which, the third...
  • Run-on sentence. A run-on sentence is one that is either too long, has too little punctuation, or both. Here is one: The study evinced that F. venosa was the sole clearly distinct species within the genus as F. australis was identical to F. rostrata and it was not possible to differentiate F. oraria and F. australis. In this sentence, you should put a comma after "clearly distinct species within the genus" and before the "as". After "F. rostrata," you could start a new sentence, removing the word "and," or put a comma before the "and." This will fix the run-on sentence.
  • In this sentence, I think there is a misplaced comma, but I'm not exactly sure where it should be. Could you read again and clarify, and fix if necessary? A study which examined the presence of Cytochrome P450s (CYP450s), vital enzymes for biosynthesis of physiologically essential compounds involved in the catalysis reactions of plant growth and development via metabolome analysis, showed that Fontainea species have a unique chemical profile compared to other plant species.
  • Here, if the "natural product" included both EBC-46 and tigilanol tiglate, since there are only two, you don't need the comma before the or: ...natural product, including epoxytigliane diterpenes (EBC-46), or tigilanol tiglate.
  • Commas and periods should almost always be inside of quotation marks: ...diterpene esters of epoxy-tigliane class", should be corrected, as well as others I have seen in the article.
  • Use an m-dash here after the word vulnerable and with a space before and after it: ...F. venosa is considered to be "vulnerable"- populations are threatened and declining...
  • Take a good read of the article again and look for misapplied punctuation and run-on sentences.

• A few other things I noticed right now:
  • Should Dawes National Park State just be Dawes National Park?
  • Redundancy: F. venosa was also previously recorded in Barakula State Forest in 1934... In this situation, you don't need to use the word previously because it's obvious that 1934 was previous to now.
  • Is SF 124 another term for Barakula State Forest? It's not clear.

Don't hesitate to seek out some people who have articles in the English Wikipedia that they have gotten to GA and ask them to help you with grammar and punctuation if you need it. These are my first comments from first read. I'd like to see that you've read these, comment on here that you have done so, ask questions if you have them, make changes, then comment on here when your changes are complete. Thanks! :) —Eewilson (talk) 07:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Images

@Sparklingkull: Hi! I hope all is well with you. I see that there is shutdown in Sydney because of the Delta variant. Stay safe.

I have two questions about your image Fontainea_venosa.jpg. First, I found the exact image online at https://apps.des.qld.gov.au/species-search/details/?id=11304#. Did you obtain it from there? Second, the caption says "Fontainea venosa fruit and leaves, Queensland." I see fruits fallen to or lying on the ground (which is fine), but I don't see leaves of F. venosa, so maybe a more appropriate caption here. Otherwise, images are fine at this time. —Eewilson (talk) 05:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I forgot to add that you need to put alternative text for all of the images. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images, and its parent page Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility for accessibility information with respect to Wikipedia in general. —Eewilson (talk) 05:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Failing

@Sparklingkull: Failing this. Have not heard from you for over 5 weeks. There are outstanding issues. Too technical (WP:TECHNICAL). One non-free image. It is not ready for GA at this time. Hope all is well where you are. —Eewilson (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Summary

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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