Talk:Florin (Irish coin)

Page Move

This page prevents a move from Irish florin coin to here, to make this article consistent with other Florin coin article as per an earlier attempted move. Perhaps this page was created simply to prevent a move? --HighKing (talk) 00:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

OhMiGod -- are you wiki-stalking me (the page history speaks for itself that I recently moved back this article)? In any case I contest a move of this page without discussion. All the other Irish articles on coins are in the form "Irish name coin" so why move just this one for another consistancy? Djegan (talk) 00:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

You're such a comic :-) As it turns out, I *was* looking at your editing history and noticed this very curious set of edits, as well as the creation of the article "Florin (Irish coin) in what looks like an attempt to prevent a page move for consistency. I notice that you've been the main creator of many/most/all of the "Irish" coin series. Why did you create the articles with a title that is not in keeping with other coin titles? It seems that other coins such as shilling, penny, farthing, etc all use the other format? --HighKing (talk) 00:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

What you have done tells more about you than me. No less I am happy to let you have your way. But will you adopt your principal and move *all* the articles? Djegan (talk) 00:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Still interested in why you chose these titles.... --HighKing (talk) 01:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

It's three years ago, I don't remember. Djegan (talk) 01:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. --HighKing (talk) 01:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

HighKing -- I suspect your original query here has more to do with the drawn out discussion at talk:Republic of Ireland than any sense of injustice here. An attempt to discredit an editor? Djegan (talk) 01:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Why I moved this page back...

This page was within the last week moved to Florin_(Irish_coin) then moved back here again.

The reason why I moved the page back is simple. All the other Irish coin articles are at "Irish xxx coin". I gave the editor enough time to consider moving all other articles to a similar format as "xxx (Irish coin)". I have no ideological reason of one format over the other, but moving one just seamed like a inconsistancy, and consistancy is all the rage on wikipedia today. Also the template was not updated with the new article title. Yet another reason to move back. Djegan (talk) 01:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

"Irish florin coin" turns up no results at GoogleBooks. And why prefer one consistency over another? The current title is bizarre, since nobody talks of "florin coins", but of "florins". Srnec (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The exact term "Irish florin coin" turns up no results at GoogleBooks, so what, whilst a search on all three words "Irish", "florin", "coin" do turn up results (731). Its a matter of conducting a search widely enough. The reason why the current article is not consistent is because you changed about three or four of the remaining articles in the last few days. And why prefer one consistency over another? Djegan (talk) 07:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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Irish florin coin → Florin (Irish coin) — Consistency with other florins and removal of the form "florin coin", which is redundant and not commonly used. Simply "florin" is best. "Irish florin" would also be an improvement. As to inconsistency with other Irish coinage, I'm not sure the other usage is appropriate either, but I guess we'll have to see. See discussion sections above. — Srnec (talk) 04:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Oppose on the basis that other articles on Irish coins are in the form "Irish XXX coin", see template for other Irish predecimal coins articles. Keep consistency across all Irish coin articles. If theirs a strong case for moving the Irish coin articles altogether I am open to it. Djegan (talk) 07:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support to keep in line with other florin articles such as Florin (British coin), Florin (Italian coin), etc. I also agree with Dj that the other articles should also move. @Dj, you indicated earlier that you'd accept if all the varios "Irish XXX coin" articles were moved - is this still your position, and would you withdraw the Oppose if this move was conditional on the other articles also moving? --HighKing (talk) 08:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support for all Irish coins as well. I doubt that in common usage it is ever called an "Irish florin coin", it is called a "florin", and it is Irish. The same goes for Irish penny (decimal coin) and the rest, nobody pays for things in "Irish pennies" in Ireland. This move should be for all Irish coins (and any others that use this format, for that matter). ~ JohnnyMrNinja 10:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support for this and other articles, for the sake of consistency with articles on coins from other countries. Scolaire (talk) 12:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Given that the only Oppose is qualified on the basis that all the articles get moved, I'm going to go ahead and move the other articles as per WP:SNOWBALL. A move request should be filed for this article. --HighKing (talk) 15:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

And whilst your at it don't forget to update the template! Djegan (talk) 22:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Would people mind helping to go through this list to move the coin articles that are not formatted in this manner? For British and Irish coins, using "decimal" and "pre-decimal" seems to be standard for any that might need disambiguation, such as Two pounds (British pre-decimal coin). I don't have time to do a complete job right now. It would be nice to get all the stragglers in one fell swoop. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

1849 ?

The article says the florin was minted from 1928.

But this photo seems to show an Irish florin from 1849?

Abu ari (talk) 19:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

No, the photo is of an 1849 British florin - the separate Irish coinage was not minted until 1928, 6 years after independence (the old Irish coinage was withdrawn after the union of the parliaments in 1801). -- Arwel Parry (talk) 23:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)