Talk:Fenian Rising

Note

Note: This was originially a subsection of Fenian Brotherhood. However, it has been moved to its own article to be expanded further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Anome (talk • contribs) 13:39, 8 October 2004 (UTC)

Manchester martyrs

I was thinking that most of the aftermath section be broken off and expanded into an article on the Manchester martyrs. Anyone like that idea? -R. fiend 17:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'd like to propose the article be moved to Fenian Rising.

Lapsed Pacifist 05:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Improvements

This article needs serious work. It seems to cover everything except the Fenian rising in Ireland, which is covered with a single sentence. The episode of the Manchester Martyrs is pretty much a separate incident with its own article, and Davitt's arrest was 3 years later. Where is the background, description, and details of the actual rising itself? -R. fiend (talk) 13:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Agree - I think the Clerkenwell explosion itself needs an article too.Cutler (talk) 10:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I will put together an article on the Clerkenwell explosion, and expand this article including the actions in Ireland. --Domer48 (talk) 10:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Preparation

I dont think the failed Kerry rising in February belongs in the preperations section.Apollo The Logician (talk)

Neither do I, but that was where it was before I edited the article so I left it there. I'll move it now. Scolaire (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Killed on the day (5 march 1867)

Two editors, Dr Patrick O'Crowley and Dr Patrick McCoy, are randomly changing the figures for the deaths on 5 March – from "A total of twelve people were killed across the country on the day" to "a total of forty people", to "a total of two hundred people" to "a total of one hundred and two people today. The first edit added a citation to an actually existing book, but one that is not viewable online, and with the page range "pp. 100–125", which is improbable for a single bare statistic. The sentence was first added in January 2011 by Jdorney, citing J.J. Lee's The Modernisation of Irish Society 1848-1918, p. 58. I believe it to be correct. Please keep an eye out for continuing vandalism. Scolaire (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I am unaware of "Dr Patrick McCoy" and I find it highly unlikely that "two hundred people" were killed in the Fenian Rising, however my citation of "one hundred and two people" is accurate citing Ó Concubhair, Padraig (2011). "The Fenians Were Dreadful Men": The 1867 Rising. Ireland. In my edit I will be more precise with my page number, the exact citation is on page 120. Dr Patrick O'Crowley (talk) 00:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

You are apparently also unaware that when you added that citation, it was for "a total of forty people", not 102! Now that you are citing a single page number, it is causing you to further inflate your own figures. And you are presumably unaware that you and Dr Patrick McCoy had almost identical edit summaries: "I changed the number of people who died in the Fenian rising to be more accurate and I cited a source" and "I updated the number of people killed in the Fenian Rising of 1867 to be more accurate and to match the source that it cites". You have had your little bit of fun, now please stop vandalising the article. Scolaire (talk) 08:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

To be entirely honest I'm going to continue to change it to one hundred and two because I believe that that is more exciting and interesting. Dr Patrick O'Crowley (talk) 12:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Both users now indef blocked. Scolaire (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)