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Merger proposal

FC Politehnica Iași (2010) & FC Politehnica Iași (1945) has been proposed for merging into FC Politehnica Iași.

Reasoning: The two clubs are the same club, despite the bankruptcy, similarly to Rangers F.C., A.C.R. Messina, Darlington FC or Newport County. The Romanian court has ruled that this Poli Iasi is the direct successor of the the previous incarnation with all rights to previous trophies Abcmaxx (talk) 15:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Oppose – A few months ago the team got the right to use the name and logo of old entity. However, their article in the news section mentioned clearly that the records have NOT yet been merged. Unless you show proof about your statement with the Romanian Justice I will keep my vote negative.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 20:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Reply Given your vehement opposition to renaming the fake Steaua to its legitimate name FCSB, I am inclined to think no amount of evidence will convince you (WP:INVOLVED/WP:BIAS?). The club's official website is even copyrighted "Copyright 1945 - 2018 CSM Politehnica IAŞI". I am yet to find a (reliable) website which cites the club's foundation as 2010 [1] [2] [3] [4] Abcmaxx (talk) 21:41, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Reply I am not biased. FCSB is known as Steaua, see WP:COMMONNAME. I was actually inclined in renaming the page at first but it seems it's not the official name that matters here on Wikipedia. Leaving that behind, the first link you presented is the old Politehnica's profile on WorldFootball.net. The seasons records stop at 2009. The second one is an article of Adevarul, which doesn't have the right to claim this is the continuation of the old club, over UEFA, LPF and FRF do. The third link is the same with the second. The last link indeed merged the records of the two entities. But these are not RELIABLE sources either, as I said only UEFA, FRF and LPF can say if this is the continuation or not. And you are yet to show me something about the court decisions. I never heard about something like that in Iasi's case, and I check football news everydat. You say I am biased but come with fake news?8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 17:15, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@8Dodo8 No they don't, UEFA, LFP and FRF all changed the name of the team to FCSB because they legally had to. You type in Steaua it comes up with FCSB everywhere (apart from here for some reason). Abcmaxx (talk) 22:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Oppose – The club bought just the brand (logo and colors) without the record. The club was very specific when they made the announcement. source: gsp.ro The press release from the club's website is contained in this article. Underlined in the article "De asemenea, dorim ca în cel mai scurt timp posibil să ne recuperăm și palmaresul." (We also want our record to be recovered in the shortest time possible.) Rhinen (talk 21:38, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Which pretty much means it is imminent Abcmaxx (talk) 21:41, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

I would probably agree if the club would not have announced as two different chapters the logo and the record. In general the logo, colors, etc. ensure the continuity, but this situation seems to be more complicated. Still oppose, but probably in the future the merge will be possible. Rhinen (talk 19:53, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Which also means it DID NOT happen yet.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 17:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Comment Surely WP:DUCK. If it looks the same, acts the same, it has bought almost everything the previous club has then how could we possibly distinguish the two given that all that is potentially missing is a formal statement regarding one small aspect.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Comment That "small" aspect is the most decisive one. Rhinen (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2018 (UTC)