Talk:Extremis (Doctor Who)

Benedict IX

I was debating with myself whether to add this as an outside refernece or not (or indeed, whether to remove it in the event it is added.) My reasoning is, Doctor Who is set in a fictional universe and sometimes creates fictional alternates to real life persons. Harriet Jones, for example, has no analog on real Earth, if she did she'd be Tony Blair. Presumably Blair was never PM in that world (or he died in Aliens of London). Similarly, the Pope Benedict IX in the Whoniverse was a young woman, as Benedict IX was a young man of 20 when he first became Pope (he's an odd one--he was Pope three times). So strictly speaking this Benedict IX is a fictional version made up for the episode, and therefore not an outside reference--more like a bit of satire directed at the exclusively male clergy of the Catholic Church. If discussion can be found, rather than this being an outside reference, it should go somewhere else. But as things stand, since it does not refer to a genuine historical figure, no, it won't be an outside reference. Damn, it's like Moffat is even trying to make us slip up here on Wikipedia... As if he'd try that... ZarhanFastfire (talk) 03:48, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Damn, it's like Moffat is even trying to make us slip up here on Wikipedia... As if he'd try that... It wouldn't be the first time!

"Here at DWM, we've been arguing about all sorts of things - and not just whether to count Face the Raven, Heaven Sent and Hell Bent as one story, two, or three. In the end we went with three [...] partly because I want to see if we really do have any influence over Wikipedia." - Tom Spilsbury, Doctor Who Magazine 495.

-- Alex^TW 04:41, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

That's what I was referring to, yes. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 16:33, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

"Monks" in the synopsis

Are they called Monks in the episode or is this from material outside (like Emojibots?) Should we be calling them monks? I realize the only alternatives off-hand are demon, corpse-like being or alien... Just saying, I don't recall "Monk" being used and it seems ORish. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

They're credited as "Monks" and the official BBC site refers to them as "Monks"... for now at least. I imagine that'll change next episode though. 50.197.11.93 (talk) 19:03, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Plus the sources recapping the ep call them Monks too and note this being the "Monks Trilogy". I think it would be fair enough for this episode to have a footnote like we did on "Smile" and the emojibots that the Monks are not named in the episode but credited that way by the BBC (it also helps save a few words in the summary). I would assume next episode we'll have their name said onscreen. --MASEM (t) 23:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

We call them monks, as per the credits. We don't wikilink them to monks, though. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:23, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Outside references

So, does this section become a catch-all lint collector any time something cultural reference is measured in passing? I am referring to the Harry Potter reference when they enter the Vatican library. It seems inane and not at all contributive to the article. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

One of the things that have popped up recently in discussions, pertaining to continuity and outside references, is that even properly sourced items can be trivia (i.e. trainspotting). DonQuixote (talk) 18:30, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

And we we don't need trivia. If it doesn't greatly expand upon an understanding of the subject, it is trivia, and therefore unnecessary. For example, Noel Clarke, who portrayed Mickey, cast another Dr. Who alum Camille Coduri (Rose's Mother) in the second installment of his -hood series. Is it a notable bit of triva for a party or a fan-spurting site? Probably. Does it increase understanding of Clarke's series? Not even a smidgen.

The problem here is that these outside references are wandering further and further afield, and further distracting from the article. All Teh Cultural References are unnecessary. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:25, 26 July 2017 (UTC)