Talk:Evan Coyne Maloney

Needs a lot of work

Not horrible for a start, but it was basically largely an ad for the guy's work. It's funny how the whole article can go by and not mention his political affiliation nor the criticism his work has received. The claims to fame here are wholly based upon the support of conservative organizations, and Maloney allegedly (on another article with a cite I haven't checked yet) has been banned from various campuses for misleading statements and etc.

It seems like we need a few things here:

First, this article and some offshoot articles are all about the same guy doing similar things. I don't see any reason why they are all separate articles. They should probably be merged to whatever would be the most logical place.

Second, in order to be fair and encyclopedic we need to mention politics, mention criticism, and balance it all out.

Third, any attempt to make this article promote the sites (by excessive links, etc.) needs to be stomped out.

Fourth, it seems plausible to me that this who article was created as WP:COI so that we need to bend over backwards to make sure it is cleaned up to our standards and not just his.

DreamGuy 09:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

We currently have three related articles: this one, Brainwashing 101, and Indoctrinate U. I agree that all three could and should be improved. At least we now mention Maloney's politics ... du-uh.

As I understand it, Brainwashing 101 was only intended as an early version of a longer and more ambitious documentary, which has now been released as Indoctrinate-U. (That would explain why On The Fence Films is no longer hosting free downloadable copies of Brainwashing-101. See for example this January 2005 item in the New York Sun.) If this is right, I suggest we merge Brainwashing 101 into Indoctrinate U. Otherwise, I suggest merging Brainwashing 101 here.

Does anyone know for sure?

Another question: can we remove the POV tag?

Cheers, CWC 13:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Admittedly, I didn't bother checking previous iterations of the article, but whatever they looked like, the current (9/15) version looks fine. A little thin, definitely more can be added, but it's completely factual and does not appear promotional. Re: the films, I do agree that the three films should be merged, but Maloney himself should remain a separate article. From Maloney's site, the "Brainwashing" short films were milestones that eventually evolved into Indoctrinate U. The current content is far more dry and factual than films for similar producers (Michael Moore and Morgan Spurlock). Links all seem appropriate. I don't know how we'd address the last point-- it doesn't seem to be actionable.

I'd say the article needs some fleshing out and an infobox, and we should remove the POV tag.

Wellspring 06:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Two weeks later, no response. Removing the POV tag. Wellspring 02:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Joey Boots Video

RE: The last paragraph of this BLP used a Joey Boots video to document Mr. Maloney handing out bongs and Che rolling papers. I deleted it because Boots' video failed to disclose exonerating information already known to him at the time he posted it. Do no harm is the rule. Evensong (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:48, 9 November 2011 (UTC).

Could you be more specific about the 'exonerating information' and why it would require deletion of the entry rather than a re-write? All I've found is Maloney's own video about the event - and though this does indicate that it was done in jest rather than as a serious attempt to 'punk' the demonstrators it does confirm the central facts. Since Boot's video and the controversy surrounding it has been reported quite widely on the internet it seems strange that the Wikipedia entry would be silent about it.--Tomthepom (talk) 12:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

If the central fact confirmed is that ECM handed out a bong and some Che rolling papers, then is that really the type of material for a BLP? They were two of several props used briefly in one of the many videos he's produced. His handing out of these items is not very significant event in the video, much less ECM's life. Including it in his BLP also makes the page read like a tabloid, at least in part, because the Joey Boots video and the other sites linking it misrepresented how ECM used them. We should avoid repeating tabloid claims of dubious veracity in BLPs. Evensong (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC).

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