Talk:Erin Elizabeth

Which sources connect "Erin Finn" escort to "Erin Elizabeth" antivaxxer?

@Edwardx: I only see one which doesn't seem particularly reliable. I think for libel reasons we should probably have better sources for that connection, but you seem like a more experienced editor than me with respect to biographies...am I missing something? ---Avatar317^(talk) 22:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Avatar317 Thanks. There are other sources, but you are right, nothing that is solidly reliable. I will try to pull together more information about her, and hopefully better quality sources will emerge... Edwardx (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

This is the best source of the story here: https://www.laweekly.com/sex-and-nerds-invade-pellicano-trial/ which I tried to add yesterday but was quickly removed. No need to worry about libel, those of us who know anti-vaxxer Erin Finn here in Florida know she was using the brainyblonde.com/brainyblond.com web site when she was running in the health and wellness crowd here. Researchowl (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, you seem very set on protecting Erin Finn the anti-vaxxer (who is indeed the escort mentioned in https://www.laweekly.com/sex-and-nerds-invade-pellicano-trial/.) I added this info and source to her Career and it was taken down within 24 hours. When she first moved to Florida she was still using the Brainyblond.com/brainyblonde.com web site mentioned in the LA Weekly. So no need to keep taking the info down if you are indeed worried about libel. She (or someone else) has done a great job of attempting to scrub the evidence from the internet but as long as the LA Weekly article is live, there she is. What a lovely person too! Researchowl (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

It may be her, it may be another person with the same name and hair color. The gossip blog you're linking to isn't particularly useful. If that's all we have to go on, it will be taken down every time. Robincantin (talk) 02:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Text I removed from the article.

Escort agency

In 2007, she sued Anthony Pellicano, after her ex-boyfriend Robert Pfeifer, president of Hollywood Records pleaded guilty to aiding and abbetting, paying Pellicano about $200,000 to wiretap her. Pfeifer pleaded guilty in April 2007 and as of January 2008, was facing up to ten years in prison.

While in a relationship with Pfeifer, she started an online escort business, educatedescorts.com (later BrainyBlond.com), aimed at "socially awkward computer geeks", and in her court testimony said she had stopped being an escort herself about five years prior. Under cross-examination, Finn said that on her tax papers she was a "travel guide", and when asked if her clients really paid $9,000-$24,000 for a travel guide, she said "I essentially felt like I was ... If they wanted sex, they could pay $500 for that somewhere else. I was dealing with socially awkward geeks."

---Avatar317^(talk) 21:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Erin Elizabeth Finn's escort service is public information in the NYTimes

An editor removed appropriately cited public information, using misinformation in claims for their justification. Her name is not Mercola (she told me personally she is not married to Joseph Mercola, and loudly complained with a [Super-spreader article https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2020/08/04/rise-of-the-super-spreaders-infodemic/] which stated that). I have reverted that edit due to the false claims.

So now you’re believing Erin Elisabeth Finn because she says she’s not married to him? Your source is her? Also she told you personally doesn’t count. Sorry. The New York Times does not connect the two at all and that has already been discussed on here for years. Hence the reason it is continually removed.

Her name as Erin Elizabeth Finn is also clear from court filings in her name about her activities here: Massachusetts anti-vaxxer sues supporter of New York anti-vaxxer he sued last week.

Hate to break it to you but there are lots of Erin Elisabeth Finn‘s. This has already been discussed on the talk person by multiple senior editors. Just because you have a personal beef with her does it mean you can make things up. using New York Times as a source about another ERIN FINN doesn’t count.

Mmangan333 (talk) 17:52, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You must be one of her friends who "helps her out"? When Erin Finn the anti-vaxxer first moved to Florida those of us in the health and wellness community knew her as having the web site brainyblond.com/brainyblonde.com, mentioned in this article https://www.laweekly.com/sex-and-nerds-invade-pellicano-trial/. She is one in the same and it's an interesting and telling bit of her history that is too often left out because of her "friends" like you! Researchowl (talk) 17:02, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Erin Elizabeth Finn in the Washington Post 2021: How wellness influencers are fueling the anti-vaccine movement.

• "This faction has its celebrity influencers: Erin Elizabeth Finn, for example, known as Erin Elizabeth online, has been banned from multiple social media platforms after spreading misinformation. Earlier this year, a study by the Center for Countering Digital Hate named Finn as one of the 12 public figures responsible for a huge amount of the coronavirus vaccine misinformation floating around on Facebook." Mmangan333 (talk) 18:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Great job. Still no connection to the other erin finn and you’ve produced no sources in the New York Times does not link the two. Nor does any other Wikipedia approved source. You saying you talked to her doesn’t count. Please abide by the rules of Wikipedia.

Editor using Conversation with Erin Elizabeth as a source plus linking two people together with absolutely no source whatsoever saying they are the same person. This has been already asked and answered since this page has begun

Editor Mmangan333 has linked Erin Elizabeth Finn to a New York Times article about somebody named Erin Finn. Nowhere in the New York Times article are the two linked which senior editors have pointed out on here since her page was made. Hence the reason we deleted it. For the editor to assume that they are the same person with no source whatsoever is against Wikipedia rules. Whether she’s married or not, they can’t link them. It’s also a moot point whether she’s married and using her as the source that “she told them personally she wasn’t“ is also against wiki rules. FriendswLarrySanger (talk) 19:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

User:FriendswLarrySanger has a point. Also, WP:BRD and WP:BLP are both in favor of deleting the section. The person this article is about does not seem likeable to me, and the user name "FriendswLarrySanger" does not either, but the policies and guidelines agree with their point of view here.

Can you please stop edit-warring and keep the version before the introduction of the new text? @Mmangan333:, @FriendswLarrySanger:: Please read WP:3RR. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

The NYTimes piece is properly sourced, it is not from a trial transcript according editing guidelines. After reverting and explaining this, the other editor engaged in obvious vandalism instead of following proper procedures. The page, when I arrived, had an "American Sex Workers" catalog tag on it, without information on the page about the evidence. I knew where that information existed, so added it to the page. The NYT appropriately sourced piece provides the evidence. The other user then vandalized the talk page and failed to properly sign comments.

There are photographs of this woman with the parties involved at the time, there are photos of her at the courthouse after her testimony. These are not public domain photos so they can't be used on the page, but there is no dispute that Erin Elizabeth Finn is the person who testified in this widely publicized trial about her escort service work and lots of information exists about this situation. Finn is a public figure. Mmangan333 (talk) 13:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

It was only "obvious vandalism" to you since you had more information. Now you are finally sharing that information.

See? This is why you should use the Talk page instead of edit-warring. Let's wait what others have to say on this, especially FriendswLarrySanger. --Hob Gadling (talk) 14:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for my previous note - it looks like you know more than anyone else here she is one in the same. It's frustrating but I guess not surprising that a former escort to the tech industry would have friends in high places lol! I'm done trying. Researchowl (talk) 17:18, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I am yet another person who tried to add Erin's Finn's obvious identity as the escort in LA: https://www.laweekly.com/sex-and-nerds-invade-pellicano-trial/. I see that this has been a contentious topic already and it's really too bad. She was using brainyblonde.com/brainyblond.com mentioned in the article when she first moved to Florida and I knew her then so absolutely no chance of her having any success with libel. She is one in the same. Researchowl (talk) 17:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

As I said on my posts earlier on this Talk page, the problem we have here is that we don't have Reliable Sources stating that THIS anti-vaxxer named "X" is one and the same person as the person named "X" who was an escort/prostitute/whatever. I don't doubt that likely this person is the same, but for both Original Research WP:OR and more importantly libel reasons, we can't say that they are the same unless a RS states that.

Note the sources above on my previous posts above also talk about this same prostitiion case, but none make the antivaxxer=prostitute same person connection, because they predate the anti-vaxx activity.

If a RS says that (these persons are one and the same), than she can sue the RS for defamation; if they are right she loses, if they are wrong and issue a retraction, than we adjust what we say here on Wikipedia, but without an RS stating that, we can't equate these two people. (For the record, she seems very sleazy to me and the kind of person who cares most about her own career/profit/ego/etc, and I think that likely she is the same person, but my opinions don't matter here on Wikipedia, we have policies to follow, for both Wikipedia's reputation and legal protection from libel lawsuits.)---Avatar317^(talk) 19:55, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

what source do we need for her federal judge UNCLE

as I learn more about her I do think the federal judge uncle should be mentioned. Father’s brother. Daniel Manion. He’s also got a Wikipedia page. Ultra conservative. I think this should be disclosed. FriendswLarrySanger (talk) 14:34, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

A quick search for "Daniel Manion Erin Elizabeth" yields zero results. If her surname is Finn, it seems unlikely that someone Manion is going to be her father's brother. Edwardx (talk) 15:59, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Edwardx I agree there is no good reason to make @FriendswLarrySanger's suggested edit. However, Finn was adopted, so the different last name for a relative wouldn't be unusual. ScienceFlyer (talk) 16:50, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Seems to me we'd need a solid third-party source (media) with fact-checking capabilities. 0% guesswork. We don't disclose, we use info that has been already disclosed by reliable sources and present it in context. Robincantin (talk) 16:52, 13 July 2023 (UTC)