Talk:Eloquence

I'm deleting this paragraph:

"Famous politicians in modern times Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Benito Mussolini each spoke and wrote points of view in eloquent style and substance resulting in actions that brought the world to war World War II. More contemporary politicians with similar eloquent qualities include John Fitzgerald Kennedy."

I think it's relatively common knowledge that World War II had more complex causes than eloquent speeches and to equate totalitarian dictators such as Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini with publically accountable heads of state such as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and John F. Kennedy is disingenous.

65.30.177.186 (talk) 15:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Nevertheless, eloquence is an important factor in the success and influence the best, as well as the worst, political leaders. I have tried to refashion this paragraph in a way that says so, without equating those two very different kinds of people. Meanwhile the list of famously eloquent people has been sitting around for a while with only Hitler on it. I have deleted it so someone else can restart it with several speakers of each kind, resulting in more a balanced and representative list.CharlesHBennett (talk) 14:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Who is eloquent?

Where did the information about who is eloquent come from? Source?

Penny Wong is mentioned on the list . . . but is she really a standard bearer for eloquence? Surely someone has a more authoratative list of examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.35.248.133 (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Eloquence vs. Rhetoric?

Perhaps there should in this article some reference to rhetoric: the art of using language, especially public speaking, as a means to persuade. How eloquence relates to rhetoric. Such reference would improve this article and add value to the definition of eloquence. The WP article on rhetoric makes various references to eloquence, though it lacks a clear distinction or relationship between both terms. Caballero/Historiador ^⎌ 11:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I support a merger. Fourmidable (talk) 19:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)