Talk:Eglwyscummin

Etymology of the name

At present the article states that

The English translation from the Welsh name Eglwyscummin is "church community" although the name derived from the Celtic Saint Cynin.

This is dubious as it stands because

• the Welsh name is Eglwys Gymyn, which literally means "legacy church";
• even if the Welsh name were an alteration of Eglwys Gymun, that would give it the meaning "communion church";
• neither of these versions means "church community", which would be "cymuned (yr) eglwys" in Welsh, or even "community church", which would be "eglwys (y) gymuned";
• although it is possible, even perhaps quite likely, that the Gymyn part of the Welsh name is indeed an alteration of a personal name, the article need a reference to back up the claim that the name in question is that of Saint Cynin.

Any comments? --Picapica (talk) 09:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Since writing the above I have found references for the derivation of the Welsh name from that of the Cunignos mentioned on the INIGENA CUNIGNI AVITTORIGES (or AVITTORIGES INIGENA CUNIGNI) Ogham stone mentioned later in the article, and to the fact that this Cunignos can be identified with the Welsh Cynin / Cymmin etc (whether in fact a saint, or a member of the royal family of Brycheiniog, or indeed both!).

The modern Welsh spelling Eglwys Gymyn may well be attributable to folk etymology and the English of the "Common Church Farm" adjacent to the church enclosure is undoubtedly a "folk translation" too.

I will write all of this up in the article itself in due course. --Picapica (talk) 10:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ogham stone

The Irish-language names of the persons mentioned on the bilingual stone would be Cunignos and Avitoriga not ‘Cunigni’ and ‘Avitorriges’ as stated in the article because those latter forms are believed to be Irish genitives. So the article is naming them OfCunignos and OfAvitoriga. Cunignos is presumably the father and Avitoriga his deceased daughter. I am assuming it is to be read something like ‘Here lies the body/for the soul/here is the grave _of_ Avitoriga’.

Suggestions for fixing the article so it makes sense grammatically?CecilWard (talk) 03:31, 13 May 2018 (UTC)