Talk:Edward Thonen/GA1
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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 01:55, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I'll review this soon. Steelkamp (talk) 01:55, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Steelkamp, I appreciate it. If you have concerns left about the citation issues raised on the talk page, let me know. I hope the problems have been addressed already. Renerpho (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Good article criteria edit
Well written edit
- the Stockade. Should this be in lowercase? Eureka Rebellion has it in lowercase when Eureka is left out.
- Elberfeld's citizens joined in late on the democrats' cause during the revolution. Is there a page that democrats can be linked to?
- Unfortunately,. This seems to violate Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
Verifiable with no original research edit
- I'm concerned about note A. Even though it's not used as a source, the page linked is a wiki, which is advised against in most situations.
- Reference 4 will definitely need to be removed.
- Could you email me the contents of reference 3? It's possible that source will suffice for the previous sentence.
- was widely publicized.
- What is reference 5? Is it a baptism certificate?
- about what he did during the German revolutions of 1848–1849, whether he was politically active, and if he got in trouble with the law. Why does this sentence have no references? Could the references for the previous sentence be moved to the end of this sentence?
- ^ Is that paragraph even needed at all?
- This makes up a significant portion of the discussion about Thonen in scholarly articles (which is sparse in general, for lack of concrete evidence). I can only speculate why so much focus was put on this, because I personally see little evidence that he was involved in the events. If there had been no prior mention of Thonen in published works, and we had written his story from scratch, there would have been no portion on the 1848–1849 revolutions. However, given that people have talked about it, I think it is worth including. Is it needed? I honestly don't know. Renerpho (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- The historian Gregory Blake states in his 2013 thesis that Edward may have been among them,[7] although there is no proof of his participation, or that he even was in Elberfeld at the time. This entire section seems too shaky to include. WP:SCHOLARSHIP says "Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence." Can you demonstrate that reference 7 satisfies this?
- have pointed out that England had become a kind of safe haven for political refugees from Germany, and that Thonen may have been among those who found it more suitable, be it forcefully or on his own accord. This has no reference. Can reference 9 be moved to the end of that sentence?
- Thonen would likely have travelled via Cologne, and from there to Brussels, using the Cologne-Aachen-railway. This was Prussia's most busy passenger railway line at the time, and the oldest international railway line in the world. This seems to be original research. The sources do not mention Thonen. I also question the reliability of reference 50.
- Thonen moved to Islington, London. This seems to be original research. The Ancestry website displays a primary source. There is no proof that the Edward Thonen in that source is the same one.
Broad in its coverage edit
praising his ability to speak numerous European languages.
Do we know which languages?
- Done I added that this includes French, German, Dutch, and Spanish. It is not clear which languages he actually taught, and the list of specific languages only appears in the news reports from the 1890s. Such a list is not included in any of the 1852 news reports or court documents we found. However, we were unable to find the direct source for the 1890s reports, so a contemporary source for this may very well exist somewhere, and I think the statement is believable. Reference 2 says that he could speak French, German, Dutch, Spanish, every European tongue. I don't think the every European tongue part is literally true. Renerpho (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Neutral edit
Stable edit
Illustrated, if possible edit
General edit
I'm going to have to fail this review. There has been no progress with the sourcing recently. Steelkamp (talk) 07:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)