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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 21:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Happy to take this article on, Modussiccandi. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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Lead section/infobox edit
- Link classical scholar and remove link lower down in the lead
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Universities of Berlin and Göttingen – the links don't go to where you expect it them to
- See my comment on the same issue below. Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood. AM
- Link Germany (Nazi Germany)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Replace England with the UK?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Full name for H. J. Rose?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Link University of Oxford; monograph; doctoral thesis (Thesis), antisemitic legislation (Antisemitism)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- (Plautinisches im Plautus, 1922); (Horace, 1957) - remove brackets and incorporate into the sentences.
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Consider including more of his personal life, including the fact that committed suicide, in the lead
- I've been reluctant to include much on his personal life (including his death) because I've been admonished to keep my leads shorter at FAC. On the death in particular, editors seem to have different views. I've generally left causes of death out of the lead, but I would reconsider in the face of further arguments in favour. Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood, and it's tricky when editors approach handling the lead in a biography in different ways. In the end, the MOS trumps any editorial opinion on how the lead is written. In Fraenkel's case, because of the traumatic nature of his death (and aspects of his life), I think the best guidance is that anything in the lead needs to be "related to the person's notability", as emphasised in WP:MOSBIO. This article says "Unless the cause of death is itself a reason for notability, a single sentence describing the death is usually sufficient, and often none is included in the lead at all, just a death date." I would probably include the nature of his death, but I'll leave it to you to decide. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- family - 'a family'
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- abandon his academic career in Germany and to is redundant and can be deleted
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- settling eventually - somewhere around here I think it should be explained how his career continued at Oxford
- As I've explained above, I've tried to keep things reasonably short in the lead. In this particular instance, I reckoned that the key bit of information about his career at Oxford (the professorship) was contained in the first sentence. The seminars, the other important part, are in the third lead paragraph. Of course, I'm open to suggestions as to what could be appended to that sentence. Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood, we can leave it as it is. AM
- perhaps the most erudite that any Greek play has ever had doesn't require a citation as it's an uncontroversial statement (and is cited in the main text); ditto the second reference
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- also is redundant.
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- comoaedia - an online search provided results only when this word is spelt 'comoedia'
- Done (typo on my part) Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- in the borough of Tempelhof - shouldn't it be clearer that this is in Berlin?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Wouldn't Roman comedian be better linked to Theatre_of_ancient_Rome#Roman_comedy?
- Link Greek (Ancient Greek)?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Consider linking undergraduates; seminars
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
1 Early life and education edit
- a life-threatening bout – was this a recurring illness, as is implied by ‘bout’?
- It seems to have been a one off. I've tried to reflect that in the new text. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, AM
- severely deformed - severely is redundant
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- where he was educated by – implies he had no other teachers, surely not true
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- he later credited – later needs to be clarified
- according to the source, he wrote this in his PhD dissertation. I've added that to the text. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Looks good. AM
- comma after to study law?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- his Jewish faith would have made it difficult – but it was Nazi policy that made it difficult, not his faith
- You are right; I've gone for 'antisemitic hiring conventions' because Fraenkel was a student a few decades before Hitler came to power. This particular (informal) practice of discrimination already existed at that time. I'm open to further tweaking this bit. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Looks good now. AM
- Though still pursuing… this sentence needs copy-editing to ensure it makes better sense and cannot be misconstrued
- Done (I hope I've addressed the right things.) Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- he formally – 'Fraenkel formally'?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- (De media et nova comoaedia quaestiones selectae) – it needs to be clearer what this is (again, I would take out the brackets)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- 4 mentors are listed, but one is illustrated. Is there a reason selecting Leo alone? Also, the caption for Leo seems overlong.
- I've chosen to include a picture of Leo because he was a particularly influential figure for Fraenkel's biography e.g. for his role as a predecessor and mentor on Roman comedy. I've reduced the caption. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Understood, but it might be better to move this image to the Plautus subsection. It currently looks out of place, being shunted down by the infobox, and imo it looks misplaced in the Early life and education, as the text in the article doesn't reflect your reply here, and readers might expect portraits of Fraenkel or his family members to be placed at the top of the article. Thoughts? Amitchell125 (talk) 09:50, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- A good idea; I've moved Leo to the Plautus section. I might be able to find an appropriate image for the education section. I saw you deleted the full stop at the end of the Leo caption. I left it in there because I thought it was needed after a syntactically complete sentence. I didn't want to add it back in before consulting you here. Modussiccandi (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Feel free to reinstate! AM
- A good idea; I've moved Leo to the Plautus section. I might be able to find an appropriate image for the education section. I saw you deleted the full stop at the end of the Leo caption. I left it in there because I thought it was needed after a syntactically complete sentence. I didn't want to add it back in before consulting you here. Modussiccandi (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood, but it might be better to move this image to the Plautus subsection. It currently looks out of place, being shunted down by the infobox, and imo it looks misplaced in the Early life and education, as the text in the article doesn't reflect your reply here, and readers might expect portraits of Fraenkel or his family members to be placed at the top of the article. Thoughts? Amitchell125 (talk) 09:50, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- while his father's uncle - avoid while unless it connected with a period of time
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- relationship needs clarification - friendship, working relationship?
- I'm not sure. The source I've cited says that Fraenkel attended Wilamowitz's lectures and approached him for advice. I suspect I left it intentionally vague. Perhaps, 'began to be to mentored' (I've put that in the text for now). Modussiccandi (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- OK. AM
2 Career in Germany edit
- Link untenured (Academic tenure)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ruth von Velsen – the German Wikipedia has more information about her family, which might be worth including in a separate note
- They say that she was the sister of the author Dorothee von Velsen. I wonder where this bit is from. (it's unsourced in the de.wiki and I don't remember any of my sources mentioning it.) I will certainly include it if I find a source. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Understood. AM
- which had established – had is redundant imo
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- and his family: - Wikipedia uses semicolons, not colons
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- from illness - 'from an illness'?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- amend anti-Semitic hostility to Antisemitism (linked)
- I've changed the wording. The link to Antisemitism is now earlier in the article because I added the word there. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, looks sorted. AM
- Why is "personal quarrels" quoted?
- The source says that he was subjected to antisemitic slurs in the context of a faculty meeting. I wasn't quite sure how best to phrase the corresponding section, so I opted to use the wording of the source. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure readers would understand why the phrase is there, perhaps you could mention the author of the phrase, or paraphrase the expression to make its meaning clearer, as you have done in your reply here. Amitchell125 (talk) 10:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've added the name of the author. Modussiccandi (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Looks better now. AM
- I've added the name of the author. Modussiccandi (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure readers would understand why the phrase is there, perhaps you could mention the author of the phrase, or paraphrase the expression to make its meaning clearer, as you have done in your reply here. Amitchell125 (talk) 10:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Professorship is not capitalized
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- successful tenure – why successful?
- The source explains that Fraenkel greatly enjoyed his time at Freiburg and was looking to stay there permanently. I thought "successful" could be an appropriate work to describe this. Perhaps we could say e.g. 'happy' or 'fulfilling'. What do you think? Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Your explanation makes perfect sense, and I'd put that in, although 'fulfilling' would be OK (it sounds less vague than successful).Amitchell125 (talk) 09:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Your explanation makes perfect sense, and I'd put that in, although 'fulfilling' would be OK (it sounds less vague than successful).Amitchell125 (talk) 09:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- when Adolf Hitler and his National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) came to power – Hitler became chancellor in January, not in the spring
- Indeed. I've changed the text to reflect that the their coming to power came first. Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Looks good now. AM
- Although Fraenkel was removed – although seems to be redundant here
- The source suggests that it was surprising that Fraenkel chose not to leave the country right away. That's why I went for "although". Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think think the point about Fraenkel delaying his departure from Germany is worth making, but I'm not sure that although helps here. Going into exile may, for instance, have been a difficult decision for him to make, or difficult to accomplish because of the attitude of the authorities, etc. Amitchell125 (talk) 10:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I hadn't thought about it this way. I've rearrange the sentence to get rid of the concessive clause. Modussiccandi (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Looks sorted. AM
- Yes, I hadn't thought about it this way. I've rearrange the sentence to get rid of the concessive clause. Modussiccandi (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think think the point about Fraenkel delaying his departure from Germany is worth making, but I'm not sure that although helps here. Going into exile may, for instance, have been a difficult decision for him to make, or difficult to accomplish because of the attitude of the authorities, etc. Amitchell125 (talk) 10:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- to support Fraenkel - consider replacing he at the beginning of the sentence with Fraenkel to improve the prose
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- (NSDAP) seems unnecessary, as the organisation is not mentioned again
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 21:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
3 Exile in England edit
- Is a picture of the street he lived in needed here?
- I've removed it. It jammed up the page, too. Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. AM
- moved his family and possessions to a house in Cambridge – surely much of this is redundant (I would amend to something like 'moved to Cambridge')
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- in the autumn of the same year – 'during the autumn'?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- When it proved difficult to sustain his family with his position at Trinity seems wordy, how about something like 'For financial reasons, Fraenkel was forced to…'?
- I quite like the detail of the current version. 'For financial reasons' would quite do his motives justice since the tour was intended as a stepping stone to a permanent appointment at another university. Of course, I'd be happy to find a compromise should you continue to object. Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- No, happy with your reply here. AM
- The Sunday Times, whose columnist John Buchan – didn't Buchan, not The Times, oppose his appointment?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- These seminars, attended – I suggest 'These were attended' (to avoid repeating seminars)
- I've done something similar to the same effect, I hope. Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. AM
- academic life in Continental Europe – 'European academic life' or similar would be less wordy
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- that had been rare – 'that was rare'?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- During term time, participants would meet once a week for two hours - seems unencyclopedic, amend to something like 'met regularly'
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- From autumn 1936 to Spring 1942, - inconsistent use of capitals
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Link Cambridge
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Fraenkel was elected to the chair in 1935 - I would date events in the paragraph sooner than this
- At the start of the paragraph, we're in the second half of 1934, which is where the last paragraph ended and the chair fell vacant. The election itself happened in 1935. I reckoned it would be redundant to repeat 1934 at the start of the second paragraph, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding your comment. Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- No, looking again I can see what you mean. No amendment needed. AM
- Upon his election to the Corpus Christi Professorship - 'Upon his election'?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
4 Retirement and death edit
- his seminars – just 'seminars'?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I would amend Around 1955 to 'In around 1955'
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- (Edizioni di Storia e Letteratura); (Orthographica and Graeca Latina) – I would improve the prose by removing the brackets
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Friedrich Leo is just Leo (the same thing occurs in the next paragraph)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- he published a monograph – replace he with 'Fraenkel', for the sake of clarity
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- his wife's health began to deteriorate – it might be useful to know which year this began
- The source is very vague on this point ("Ruth's health gave him more and more cause to worry"). Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- The last sentence implies a connection between the two events. Assuming this is true, it should be more clearly stated.
- I went for "followed" because I wanted to convey merely that he took his own life on the day his wife died. I wouldn't say that a connection is implied (except for a temporal one, of course). On a different note, I think it's fair to assume that her death contributed to his suicide, but I wouldn't want to speculate. The relevant source says that "he had no will to continue living", which I take to be an extrapolation. So, in short, I think "followed" is appropriate because it doesn't suggest an outright causal connection between the two deaths. Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood, but (apologies) I've only just realised they died on the same day. I think this needs to be added. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 11:10, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood, but (apologies) I've only just realised they died on the same day. I think this needs to be added. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Link Edizioni di Storia e Letteratura (Italian Wikipedia)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- and publisher seems redundant, seeing as it says he ran a publishing company
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- on the Roman poet Horace - as Horace appears earlier in the article, the Roman poet is not needed imo
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
5.1 Plautus edit
- nineteenth century - '19th century'
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- his work – I’m unclear whether this is referring to all the writings Plautus produced or the single work specified in the sentence.
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- argumentation – it would help if the reference after this word was at the end of the sentence.
- I placed the reference in this awkward position because it only informs the sentence up to this point; the source at the end only speaks to the second part. I thought it'd be imprecise to have them both at the end. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I do exactly this when expanding an article, but (after comments from others) have then moved the references along, the argument being that the flow of the sentence shouldn't interrupted. Please ignore me if you wish. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- ('Plautine elements in Plautus') The translations are not consistently present. If this one exists, so should the others.
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- not as a source for middle comedy – consider moving this to the end of the sentence
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Fraenkel's approach – approach to what?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Put semi-colons in the sentence that lists the elements (see MOS:SEMICOLON)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I found to insinuate their own transformation into someone else tricky. Can you explain it in layman’s terms?
- This one is difficult. What's in the text already represents my attempt at an accessible phrasing. Perhaps you could help me arrive at a better version. The fact described is that Plautus' characters tend to say things in the vain of "would that I were to wake up as Terence tomorrow" or the like. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think I was thrown by insinuate, which has connotations of unpleasantness. Perhaps use 'intimate' instead?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think I was thrown by insinuate, which has connotations of unpleasantness. Perhaps use 'intimate' instead?
- his creative use – presumably 'his creative use of'
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- an Italian translation – it might be a good idea to give the title of what was translated here.
- I'm afraid I'm being slow: are we looking for the Italian title or a recapitulation of the German one? Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- A recapitulation. AM
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 20:03, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- A recapitulation. AM
- The book could be replaced with its title, to ensure readers don’t think you are referring to the Italian version here
- I've taken out this part. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. AM
- I’m guessing the 3 references following The book was met with positive reviews. are all of positive reviews, but they don’t really provide a citation to verify the text. I’d remove the sentence (it’s a bit redundant imo)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- he described – 'Prescott described' (as opposed to Leo)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- although some of its arguments had been rejected – doesn’t make sense here
- I've changed the conjunction and the place in the sentence. I'm not sure if this addresses you point. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's better. AM
5.2 Aeschylus edit
- to Oxford University Press – 'to the Oxford University Press'
- I would say that Oxford University Press is normally treated as a proper name. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies, my error. AM
- the press's delegate – needs to be copy edited
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- In his commentary – of the manuscript or the published work?
- Both, I suppose. This was meant as a general observation on his methodology. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood. AM
- beyond the play itself – that the Agamemnon is a play should have been mentioned earlier
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- guttatim – should be italics without quotes (as it's a term)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- the classical scholar H. J. Rose – Rose is not described as such in the lead section?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
5.3 Horace edit
- earliest and latest work – 'works' sounds better imo
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- his chapters – replace with 'Fraenkel’s chapters' (a Wikipedia idiosyncrasy)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Epistles – needs to be in italics
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- dactylic metres - should be followed with a semi-colon
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- celebratory him - ??
- I actually had to think for a moment, but I seem to have wanted to write 'hymn'. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- OK. AM
- Philologie needs a bracket
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- In 1957, he published a book entitled Horace, which - consider replacing with 'Horace (1957)'
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I would introduce Ronald Syme
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- In his The Roman Revolution, Syme had depicted - 'In The Roman Revolution, Syme depicted'?
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
6 Reception edit
- Unlink Second World War (common term)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Link plaque (Commemorative plaque)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Unlink Iris Murdoch (duplicate link)
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I would amend viewed Fraenkel to 'views Fraenkel', as Stray is a living person
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- The meetings were attended mainly by undergraduates with whom Fraenkel shared his broad knowledge in several areas of the Classics. doesn't seem to belong to this section, unless it is incorporated into the previous sentence.
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
7 Honours edit
- the universities of Urbino, St. Andrews, Florence, Fribourg – the links don’t lead where you expect them to
- My idea was to link the institutions, not the cities. Wouldn't you say that this is implied by "the universities of"? Modussiccandi (talk) 19:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Understood, I can't think how it could be changed for the better, so happy to leave it as it is. AM
9 Bibliography edit
- I would remove Momigliano – the source is not cited
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- The sources need to be consistently formatted in terms of the publisher and location of each one.
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Link Christopher Stray and Hugh Lloyd-Jones throughout the section
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Add 'lang=fr' to Kamerbeek, as the article is in French
- Done Modussiccandi (talk) 19:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Modussiccandi, this is a solid article. I've gone through it, but not yet checked the links and references. Please feel free to make a start on addressing my comments, and getting back to me if you have queries I can help answer. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 21:12, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot. I'll get started tomorrow or the day after. Best, Modussiccandi (talk) 22:11, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Other links edit
- Fraenkel's Horace and thesis are available at the Internet Archive (here).
- 'Pfeiffer, Fraenkel, and Refugee Scholarship in Oxford during and after the Second World War: Refugee Scholars and Oxford University, 1930-1945' is available here
Comments completed. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
On hold edit
I'm putting the article on hold for a week until 4 January 2022 to allow time for the issues raised to be addressed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your efforts so far, I've added a alongside comments that still need to be addressed. mainly to help me as you fill the gaps. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- There are a couple of points left to tidy up, otherwise we're sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your patience. I think I've now addressed the two remaining red crosses. Best, Modussiccandi (talk) 20:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Now at GA, congratulations and have a Happy New Year! Amitchell125 (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Great! Thank you for another thorough review. Let me know if I can ever be of any help to you. Modussiccandi (talk) 20:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Now at GA, congratulations and have a Happy New Year! Amitchell125 (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your patience. I think I've now addressed the two remaining red crosses. Best, Modussiccandi (talk) 20:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- There are a couple of points left to tidy up, otherwise we're sorted. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)