Talk:Dutch Warmblood

Tuigpaard need their own entry.Countercanter (talk) 01:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Made it a red link, if there's enough for a new article start it! If there is only a paragraph or two, but realted to the DWBs, then maybe expand the section within this article until it's big enough to break out on its own. Whatever works. Montanabw^(talk) 07:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Well-Known Dutch Warmbloods

Moved the "laundry list" out of the article and put it here in case any of these horses pass the WP:Notability standard to justify creating articles about them. Reason: Wikigods don't care much for lists in general, and more important, these lists can become endless until there's everything in there including Suzy's pet pony, and heaven forbid he isn't "famous."  :-) Obviously, blue links are those who have articles already. Created Category:Famous Warmbloods to tag these individual articles, the category can be broken down further by breed if needed, but for now am keeping it broad because not that many articles across the different types of warmbloods. Montanabw^(talk) 06:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

• Bentley (Nacho)
• Big Star
• Black Ice
• Contango (horse)
• Flemmingh
• Gestion Lingh
• Idocus
• Indoctro
• Judgement (horse)
• Kennedy (horse)
• Krack C
• Marnix
• Milton (horse)
• Nimmerdor
• Olympic Ferro
• Pop Art (horse)
• Popeye K
• Ramiro Z
• Rampal (horse)
• Royal Kaliber
• Sir Sinclair
• Ubis
• Voltaire (horse)
• Authentic (horse)

KWPN

So what exactly is the KWPN? Is it the register or the breed abbreviation?? That's not clear...☆dream on☆dance on☆ 02:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Stud book: Koninklijk Warmbloed Paardenstamboek Nederland (Royal Warmblood Studbook of the Netherlands (KWPN). What I am not certain of is the question of whether there is an independent stud book in the USA that is unaffiliated with the KWPN or not, but from a quick glance at the article and external links, I think that KWPN has some control over Dutch Warmbloods worldwide. The warmblood breeds are odd that way; some stud books only allow horses registered in the home country to use the name for the breed and therefore anything bred in the USA has to be approved via the international association, with a US organization acting as merely an affiliate or go-between, which I think is the case for KWPN. Yet for other breeds (for example, the Arabian), the nations all act independently of one another, though they may have a loose international organization of some sort. I am not sure which is the case here. User:Countercanter is our resident warmblood expert on this stuff. To be honest, I can't tell you if all registered Dutch Warmbloods are to be designated KWPN or only those born in Europe, and I'm also not sure which is the case for Authentic. For now, "KWPN" is way shorter than "Dutch Warmblood" so it makes a handy abbreviation! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 03:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

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Big Star

Won the Gold Medal Equestrian at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Individual jumping. Worth an article? Tigerboy1966  22:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

• Forget it, he has an article, it just hadn't been linked. Tigerboy1966  22:26, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Genetics

The reason behind the choice for specialisation is the negative [[genetic correlation]] between the ability for dressage and show jumping.<ref name=specialize3>{{cite web |url=http://www.dutchhorsesunlimited.com/cgi-bin/articles/GeneticCorrelation.pdf|format=PDF |title=Genetic Correlation between dressage and show jumping ability|author=Ane Visser |publisher=Dutch Horses Unlimited }}</ref> By dividing the whole population in two subpopulations, faster genetic progress can be achieved in both traits compared to simultaneous selection in the whole population.<ref name=specialize4>{{cite web |url=http://www.dutchhorsesunlimited.com/cgi-bin/articles/GeneticProgress.pdf|format=PDF |title=Genetic Progress for dressage and show jumping ability|author=Ane Visser |publisher=Dutch Horses Unlimited }}</ref>

This section is very weak and needs better referencing. The second PDF doesn't actually establish its claim, and checking the first PDF, it's not even correct: a chart of phenotypic dressage vs show jumping ability in unrelated individual horses doesn't establish that all, or any, of it is being driven by a genetic correlation. Even if both dressage and show jumping are highly heritable, they could be genetically independent. The phenotypic correlation can be driven by other things like specialization. To claim that it is all genetic correlation requires both traits to be highly heritable and also to be highly inversely genetically correlated, otherwise the fraction of variance explained by the bivariate heritability won't itself be high. (Indeed, I would expect any such genetic correlation to be positive in the same way that there's general intelligence and athletic factors in humans, and so the split into two groups would actually be less efficient.) --Gwern (contribs) 21:33 9 September 2016 (GMT)

Feel free to work on it. Montanabw^(talk) 10:05, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm interested in genetic correlations, I'm not a Dutch warmblood fan or expert. If this article wants to claim that it's justified by the genetic correlation, you need to find real references, preferably peer-reviewed published genetics papers, which are not simply wrong. If that can't be done, then the claims need to be removed, just like any other dubious claim. --Gwern (contribs) 19:09 31 October 2016 (GMT)

Or you can. Don't complain and expect other people to do everything. Feel free to fix things yourself. I am not particularly interested in this particular breed, either. Go for it. Montanabw^(talk) 19:09, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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