Talk:Dune (2021 film)/Archive 3

Requested move 21 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Closing as SNOW with clear consensus for not moving. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Dune (2021 film) → Dune: Part One – Not only is this the film's WP:COMMONNAME, it is also the WP:OFFICIAL on-screen title from its initial theatrical release. The only argument against not using the 'Part One' subtitle would be that it was not used on the film's poster. Part One and Part Two are both connected to the same book, Dune. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 20:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Don't move the page without a consensous to do so. The requested move hasn't even been done properly. The instructions can be found here. Oppose per Rusted AutoParts -- ZooBlazer 21:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Objectively just called Dune. Official WB page for the film. Rusted AutoParts 21:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

  Additionally discussion was had not a year ago about this and consensus was to not move it. Rusted AutoParts 21:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment A movie is not its marketing. Objectively, the movie calls itself Dune: Part One in the movie's title card from its original theatrical release. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

  It was primarily promoted as just Dune, nominated for accolades as just Dune. As highlighted in the previous discussion Star Wars is still just called Star Wars despite the retroactive addition of Episode IV: A New Hope. Rusted AutoParts 21:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

  Again, this wasn't a retroactive change. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

  This doesn’t change anything. The only place you see Dune: Part One was in the film, as a means to signify there would be more. All my points of naming still apply. Rusted AutoParts 22:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

  "The only place you see Dune: Part One was in the film"

  Well, that's the only place that matters. The onscreen infilm title is Dune Part One, hence that's the title of the film. 95.93.76.177 (talk) 16:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

  It’s still just Dune. Rusted AutoParts 19:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

  IP, do you realize that many, many films have a different title onscreen than the actual title reflected everywhere else? InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

It's perhaps counterintuitive, but Wikipedia guidelines necessarily rely on third party reliable sources rather than the primary source, which in this case is the film itself. And certainly when determining the common name, the film is just not commonly referred to as Dune: Part One.— TAnthony^Talk 18:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the common name for the first film is still Dune.. that is how it is listed on the streaming services, how it was marketed and is still how people refer to the picture. Spanneraol (talk) 21:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the first film was announced and promoted as Dune, no subtitle. Now this was obviously for promotional reasons because more people would be driven away if they realized it was a two-parted, but still, we aren’t going back and changing It to It: Chapter 1, the same rule applies to this film. Zvig47 (talk) 23:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above comments, especially the Star Wars comparison. We have discussed this before.— TAnthony^Talk 05:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose This can be SNOW closed to avoid wasting the time. The official title of the film is Dune, not Dune: Part One (I think we've been over this before, or for another film in a similar situation?). It is very, very common for films to display an alternate title onscreen, but we can verify the actual title in the billing block, MPA certificate, copyright office, etc. As for COMMONNAME, it is most definitely "Dune" and not "Dune: Part One". "Part One" can at best be considered a retroactive title, which we don't use on Wikipedia. InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

  Normally I would give links to lots of examples, sources, and policies, but this is such a clear-cut case and the consensus is so overwhelmingly clear, I am not going to bother unless this discussion goes in the wrong direction later on. InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:39, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Much like It (2017), the filmmakers and credits may identify it as Part One, and the sequel may outright have “Part Two” in the title, but the initial and official title of the first film is simply, Dune.

TropicAces (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes absolutely. I inadvertently commented the same thing below, but I support this as well. CNC33 (. . .talk) 04:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Film has been notified of this discussion. -- ZooBlazer 22:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose per all above. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Similarly to how It (2017 film) was produced as possibly just one movie before the second was greenlit, it should remain Dune (2021 film). With both movies we somewhat knew a second part was coming, but they were produced as single films just case we didn't. CNC33 (. . .talk) 04:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. Pretty clear it is not Commonname and on screen titles or even what the production company call a film are not gospel per above examples. Yeoutie (talk) 23:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Just like The Irishman isn't I Heard You Paint Houses. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  needed to hear that today. lol! ToNeverFindTheMets (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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