Talk:Dominic Savio

really?

"...famous for breaking schoolyard fights, confiscating fake hall passes and ..."? This has been in the article since it was created, but I have difficulty believing fake hall passes were a problem in 1850s Italy. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I too have not seen the phrase "fake hall passes" in any writing about St.Savio, and I have great interest in him, since I am named after him. Perhaps this was in the book cited in the Reference section.

Yours,

Savio mit electronics 06:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Complete Overhaul

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Savio mit electronics 13:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Information Lost

In response to the 'disputed' and 'expert' tags on this article, I have completely redone the article from top to bottom. In that process, I ascertained that no information was lost (except for the trivia section and the prayers section.)

1.Trivia Section: I was not sure if the trivia section was completely relevant to this article. I felt that, if one school was written about, then all other schools named after St. Dominic Savio would have to be included as well. Moreover, the other Saint articles ( the Don Bosco article, for example) do not usually have a list of institutions named after the saint in them. If you think that the school is notable enough to be included in this article, then you are welcome to restore it.

2.Prayers Section: I theorise that this section remained only due to the low number of editors who visited this article. If you will take a look at the other articles, you will see that certain editors are even deleting the prayers from the Infoboxes. In any case, Catholic though I am, I have to say that a Prayers Section on the article would be un-encyclopedic. As per the suggestion of certain editors in talkpages elsewhere, I have linked to external sites containing the prayers at the bottom of the article.

The removed sections are as follows:

==Prayers to St. Dominic Savio==
      
ST. DOMINIC SAVIO'S PRAYER TO OUR LADY
O Mary, I give You my heart. Grant me always to be Yours. Jesus and Mary, be ever my friends; and    
for love of You, grant me to die a thousand deaths rather than to have the misfortune of committing  
a single mortal sin. Amen.
    
PRAYERS IN HONOR OF ST. DOMINIC SAVIO
Dear Saint Dominic, you spent your short life totally for love of Jesus and His Mother. Help youth  
today to realize the importance of God in their lives. You became a saint through fervent  
participation in the Sacraments: enlighten parents and children to the importance of frequent  
Confession and Holy Communion. At a young age you meditated on the Sorrowful Passion of Our Lord.  
Obtain for us the grace of a fervent desire to suffer for love of Him.
We desperately need your intercession to protect today's children from the snares of the world.  
Watch over them and lead them on the narrow road to Heaven. Ask God to give us the grace to 
sanctify our daily duties by performing them perfectly out of love for Him. Remind us of the 
necessity of practicing virtue especially in times of trial.
Saint Dominic Savio, you who preserved your baptismal innocence of heart, pray for us. Amen.
    
Great model for God-loving boys and cherished pupil of the famous Don Bosco, you died prematurely,  
humanly speaking, but you had already attained mature spiritual wisdom. Your kindness won you many  
friends but your love above all sought the Master Who is present in our Tabernacles. His praises  
you Eucharistically sang. Make choir boys be singers like you for the love of Jesus, our most  
loving Master. Amen.
   
O God, Who has given to our youth an admirable pattern of piety and purity in St. Dominic Savio,  
grant us in Thy mercy that by bearing in our body the dying of Christ, we may serve Thee with a  
pure heart. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
   
==Trivia==
  
- St. Dominic's School in Hambledon, Surrey, England  
was named after St. Dominic Savio. Every year in the week of his feastday, the St. Dominic Savio  
award is presented.

The Biography section was also overwritten, but all the information in that section is present in the present version of the article. For reference, the section is shown below:

Saint Dominic Savio (April 2, 1842 - March 9, 1857) was an Italian adolescent 
living in the 19th century, famous for breaking schoolyard fights, encouraging youth to receive the   
Sacraments, his extraordinary life of virtue and piety, and his devout religious beliefs.  Today,  
he is honoured as the patron saint of juvenile delinquents.  He died at the age of fourteen  
- just over three weeks before his fifteenth birthday, the youngest non-martyr to be named a  
saint.  He was canonized by Pope Pius XII in 1954.
    
Savio was one of ten children of Carlo and Brigitta Savio. Carlo was a blacksmith, Birgitta  a  
seamstress. When Don Bosco (now St. John Bosco) was looking for candidates for the priesthood  
for his Order, the Salesians. Savio not only became one of Bosco's favorite students, he  
singlehandedly organized those who were to be the nucleus of Don Bosco's order -- which is to say  
that, when in 1859 Don Bosco selected youths to be the first members of his congregation, all  
of them had been members of Dominic's Company of the Immaculate Conception.
    
According to the Rev. Clifford Stevens, "Dominic was a normal, high-spirited boy who sometimes got  
into trouble with his teachers because he would often break out laughing. However, he was generally  
well disciplined and gradually gained the respect of the tougher boys in Don Bosco's school."
   
In 1857, the fourteen-year-old Savio caught TB and was sent home to  
convalesce. On the evening of 9 March, he asked his father to say the Preghieri per i 
Morenti (Prayers for the Dying). Dominic's face became illuminated with an immense joy.  He said  
to his father: "I am seeing most wonderful things!" Those were his last words.
   
St. Dominic Savio's feast day was originally held on 9 March (the day of his death).  The Roman  
Catholic Church later transferred it to 6 May, when it is now officially observed.

Typographical and other Errors

As you can see from the edit history, I wrote this in one sitting. ( I had the whole of today free. ) It is only too possible that there are typographical errors or even other types of errors. (For example, the last time I edited this article, I linked to a wrong source by mistake.) Sorry about these errors. Please correct them when you come across them.

Sources

When I searched for sources for this article, I realised that the primary source that most other hagiographers used was St. John Bosco's Life of Dominic Savio. When I searched for this I found two translations available online. There are slight differences between them, but they are fairly consistent in most cases (Except for these: One does not list the 21 articles of the Immaculate Conception Sodality, and the other does not have an appendix listing miracles that occured through the intercession of St. Dominic Savio. There could be other major differences, but these are the only ones I could spot.) The two editions I used are:

1.The Life of Dominic Savio at the TraditionalCatholic.net website

2.The Life of Dominic Savio at the BoscoNet.aust.com website

In order to balance any possible differences between the translations, I referred both the versions and have tried to cite them alternately.

Though I read Mary Reed Newland's book The Saints and our Children fully, I used it in only two or three places, since the other sources were sufficient. This book may be found here.

In addition to these, I used the following small biography (not very often, since I found a discrepancy at the beginning-- it says the Savios had eleven children, and the Catholic-Forum Patron Saints index says that the Savios had ten children.)

Saint Dominic Savio Adapted from A Brief Life of St. Dominic Savio By Paul J. Pascucci, S.D.B.

I also used information from some footnotes in the partial autobiography of St. John Bosco, Memoirs of the Oratory of Saint Francis de Sales, available at this page in three parts (in PDF).

In addition to these, I used the following web-sites for minor references:

1. http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/SAVIO.htm
2. http://www.salesiansisters.org.au/saints5.html
3. http://www.catholic-forum.com/SAINTS/saintd05.htm
4. http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/dominic_savio.htm
5. http://www.saintpatrickdc.org/ss/0309.htm
6. http://www.salesianvocation.com/saviobio.htm
7. http://www.stmichaelspod.com/?page_id=40
8. http://www.donbosco.asn.au/auxilium/savio.htm
9. http://magnificat.ca/cal/engl/05-06.htm
10. http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/SaintOfDay/default.asp?id=1318
11. http://www.stthomasirondequoit.com/SaintsAlive/id752.htm
12. http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=43
13. http://www.saintmichaelusa.org/youthvocations.php
14. http://www.donbosco-torino.it/eng/page5.html
15. http://www.monksofadoration.org/22.html
16. http://www.salesiansisters.org.au/saint_dom.html
17. http://olrl.org/books/savio.shtml
18. http://www.salesians.org.uk/dbuk/saints3.html

I hope the article is more encyclopedic now.

On Length

I know it says the article is long, but this is mainly due to the source citations, (which I included since the article had previously been disputed). The article in itself is not that long. I verified this by copying the article (without the footnote citations) into my personal sandbox and then hitting the "Show Preview" button. I did not get any length warnings at all, whereas with the citations, I did get a length warning. (Which means the article without the citations was less than 32 kilobytes long.) You can try it out for yourself and verify what I have said. Also, the only Wikiproject Saints article to become a Featured Article, Joan of Arc, is 57 kilobytes long.

P.S. At first glance, the Pope Pius XI image may not seem relevant to those not familiar with Dominic Savio, but I placed it there (next to the section that describes incidents in Dominic Savio's life that reveal his personality) since he is a famous person who made a famous comment ("small in size, but a towering giant in spirit.") on the personality of Dominic Savio, and that comment appears frequently in writings on St. Dominic Savio.

P.P.S. As you might have guessed, I was named after this Saint, and thus have a special affinity towards him. However, I have sincerely attempted to maintain objectivity while writing the article, as merits an encyclopedia entry.

Yours, Savio mit electronics 12:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This entry seems overly long for the subject matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:346:580:1fd0:a847:2b2e:3a31:987f (talk) 19:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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Trouble with meaning in the introduction

The introductory section of this article includes the following two sentences:

"Despite the fact that many people considered him to have died at too young an age – fourteen – to be considered for sainthood, he was considered eligible for such singular honour on the basis of his having displayed "heroic virtue" in his everyday life.[8] He is the only saint of his age group, which includes Maria Goretti (age 11) and Ponticus of Lyons (age 15),[9] who was declared to be a saint not on the basis of his having been a martyr, but on the basis of having lived what was seen as a holy life."

The point seems to be that it's unusual for such a young person to be canonized as a saint, but that he is not the only example. However, I think the second sentence is missing a "not", and should be rewritten. I think it should read:

"He is not the only saint of his age group, which includes Maria Goretti..."

Please let me know if I'm wrong, and revert the change if so. Thanks!

Srschu273 (talk) 01:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I missed that you had left this note. I think you misread the sentence, by stopping too soon. It doesn't say he's the only saint of his age group. It says he's the only one not canonized because of martyrdom. I have removed the "not". --Trovatore (talk) 08:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I think the problem is more the over complicated and long sentence that is made confusing by the inclusion of examples of saints not like him. I would argue that no examples are needed and should be taken out, as the point is clear without them, and it would make the sentence much easier to read and make more sense. RedRubyRogue (talk) 14:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Good idea. I've removed the examples and tightened the sentence a bit. Graham87 07:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

feast day May 6?

What is the source for May 6?--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:13, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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The Only Person of his Age Group

Says in the article, that he is the only person of his age group to be declared a Saint, not on the basis of being a martyr, but, on the basis of having lived what was seen as living a holy life. That might change soon. Very recently the Church just beatified a teenager who died on the 21'St Century, who also lived a life that was considered Holy in the eyes of the Church. Carlo Acutis --Splashen (talk) 15:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I should also note (just as the article has noted) that there was also the recent Canonizations of Sts. Francisco & Jacinta Marto.--Splashen (talk) 15:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

title change

surely the title should have saint in it as it's his full title? Gsykesvoyage (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Nope, that's not what we do here. Graham87 02:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)